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cn_habs

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Aren't there raw materials that TW imports from the mainland for the making of those semi's? Can't there be some export restriction to hostile nations or territories?
 

ansy1968

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SK JP and TW have absolutely 0 incentive to help US become a leader in Chip manufacturing again.

TW/TSMC holds the world hostage and US doesn't like that either.


Only winner is US where 1. they gain leadership in the field again and 2. they don't HAVE to protect those places (esp TW) from China after this.


It ain't about China because China is already dead set on that independent path.
Right on @localizer JPN and SK gets it that's why they join RCEP, TW TSAI enjoyed being used by the American and she is going to bed with them, that prostitute sells TSMC down the drain. But TSMC is smart if ever a SMEE or CETC develop an EUVL, they will be the first customer to operate it if allow. Cause they know how to leverage their expertise , for them business come first before politics.
 

localizer

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Aren't there raw materials that TW imports from the mainland for the making of those semi's? Can't there be some export restriction to hostile nations or territories?
No point, too easily replaced.

Let the other side take the initiative and China stall them until it completes domestic 7-14nm DUV.

10 years later we will see China crank out 2-3nm chips I hope.

Hell maybe China can get to the forefront of quantum computing by then, who knows.
 

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Right on @localizer JPN and SK gets it that's why they join RCEP, TW TSAI enjoyed being used by the American and she is going to bed with them, that prostitute sells TSMC down the drain. But TSMC is smart if ever a SMEE or CETC develop an EUVL, they will be the first customer to operate it if allow. Cause they know how to leverage their expertise , for them business come first before politics.
The USA cannot win because they have lost most of there innovating magic (if the actually can innovate as opposed to stealing other nations works). I believe that most corporations in the USA are making sure they have enough of a back up plan that when things go pear shaped, they pack up and run. Without these corporations and if the stock market and economy crashes, Biden can whine all he wants but being made in the USA for anything is 1000% dead with the only incentive that people could have in the USA is other nations buy up farm land for grow crops and kicking people off there property
 

localizer

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The USA cannot win because they have lost most of there innovating magic (if the actually can innovate as opposed to stealing other nations works). I believe that most corporations in the USA are making sure they have enough of a back up plan that when things go pear shaped, they pack up and run. Without these corporations and if the stock market and economy crashes, Biden can whine all he wants but being made in the USA for anything is 1000% dead with the only incentive that people could have in the USA is other nations buy up farm land for grow crops and kicking people off there property

I think we need to thank FLG and Uncle Chang and the Neocons for scaring away/persecuting Chinese scientists/grad students. Maybe they're the patriots that we need.
 

quantumlight

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I think we need to thank FLG and Uncle Chang and the Neocons for scaring away Chinese scientists/grad students. Maybe they're the patriots that we need.
Strategically I wish Tom Cotton would go on Fox and start saying how America needs to start gasing the Chinese and rounding us up like the japs... too many Chinese still have naive rosy tinted view of America...

China needs to take advantage of the coming reverse brain drain
 

ansy1968

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No point, too easily replaced.

Let the other side take the initiative and China stall them until it completes domestic 7-14nm DUV.

10 years later we will see China crank out 2-3nm chips I hope.

Hell maybe China can get to the forefront of quantum computing by then, who knows.
@localizer that's right, its basic principle in economics, INNOVATION happen thru scarcity, being sanction or denied service. It forces people to find solution to their predicament. That is why sanction is ineffective, it lessen your power and influence as you used it more often.
 

localizer

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@localizer that's right, its basic principle in economics, INNOVATION happen thru scarcity, being sanction or denied service. It forces people to find solution to their predicament. That is why sanction is ineffective, it lessen your power and influence as you used it more often.
Strategically I wish Tom Cotton would go on Fox and start saying how America needs to start gasing the Chinese and rounding us up like the japs... too many Chinese still have naive rosy tinted view of America...

China needs to take advantage of the coming reverse brain drain


I used to TA a lot of Tsinghua and Peking students in semiconductor related topics (mainly photonics), I see them willing to slave away for up to 10 years in a PhD program and then many more years in a postdoc in the West

Despite this, they're still unwilling to go back to China and take a risk in becoming something greater than a slave in the west.

Maybe top Chinese universities need to select out these type of individuals who become nothing in life anyway.
 

ansy1968

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I used to TA a lot of Tsinghua and Peking students in semiconductor related topics (mainly photonics), I see them willing to slave away for up to 10 years in a PhD program and then many more years in a postdoc in the West

Despite this, they're still unwilling to go back to China and take a risk in becoming something greater than a slave in the west.

Maybe top Chinese universities need to select out these type of individuals who become nothing in life anyway.
@localizer , I'm not a engineer, the fact of the matter If your educated in the US and work there for a while, you may be more inclined to used their equipment rather than using others? That is the reason why many hadn't return due to inadequate facilities? Now with Chinese/Asian xenophobia is rising in the US, maybe there will be a change of heart?
 

localizer

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@localizer , I'm not a engineer, the fact of the matter If your educated in the US and work there for a while, you may be more inclined to used their equipment rather than using others? That is the reason why many hadn't return due to inadequate facilities? Now with Chinese/Asian xenophobia is rising in the US, maybe there will be a change of heart?

Common answers that I get is that they like the easy life, "freedoms," and want to raise their kids here.

I can see their point, but they're less likely to become someone "great" in the West than in China. These graduates are meant to be great considering how difficult it is to get into those universities. Their chances of becoming a CEO or top professor is much lower in the US than if they had stayed in China. Especially now with the anti-China policies.

Also many of the women resent their Chinese fathers and ends up married to white man and goes full anti-China. It has literally become a stereotype.



I mean considering the difficulty of the topics that I used to teach and how well they can master them, it's truly a shame they didn't stay in China or go back.

Is it a problem with Chinese culture/society/parenting that they turned out this way? Is CCP rule that much of a problem?
 
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