so, I was browsing through Chinese bbs after a long day and found some interesting section comparing the main guns used on PLAN vs ROCN. It was specifically about AK-176M vs Otobreda 76 mm.
one of the posters who previously made a lot of revelations about Type 730 CIWS also commented on this, I thought it was sort of interesting.
1. they originally compared oto 76 with the 100 mm naval gun to see which one was better to import and they picked 100 mm one and AK-176 turned out to have even more advantages.
2. at that time, OTO-76 did not have the automation level of 100 mm gun. at that time, it was also easier for China to develop guided munitions for 100 mm (I guess because it's bigger?). And after 054's 100 mm was simplified by over 40% in sensors, it's high speed shooting's reliability is not good
As for purely the accuracy, OTO-76 is better than the other two, but consecutive shot accuracy is garbage. Also, firing speed and initial speed is extremely important for China since it has anti-missile need, that's where AK-176M has serious advantage. After china improved on AK-176M, it is much faster at replacing rounds than OTO-76.
if there are not enough type of munition, you can develop more. As for accuracy, it can also be improved.
Also, the figure given for accuracy is only for single round 1000 m. When firing 60 to 90 consecutive shots, there is no difference. Also, AK-176's munition is better than OTO, as it can better defend against multiple targets in high threat environment.
one of the posters who previously made a lot of revelations about Type 730 CIWS also commented on this, I thought it was sort of interesting.
basically, he said several points,当初考察OTO76的时候是和单100比的,最后单100是被AK176比下去了!
任何东西都得考虑自身的技术特点,不要盲目引进.
当初OTO76不如单100的自动化 水平高,但是事实证明这个自动化害人不浅,况且当时的水平,100毫米实现制导弹药比较容易。054上的单100在简化了40%以上的传感器后,其高速射击的稳定性还是不可靠的。
空谈射击精度,虽然OTO76的射击精度三者最高,但是连发射击的精度都是扯蛋,然而射速和初速的优势对于需要反导射击的我们来说就显得格外重要。另外AK176在经过我国的改进后,更换弹种的时间比OTO76快了很多。
弹种不多,可以研制。精度不够可以优化。火炮不是高科技……
最后也提供个建议给楼主所贴文章的作者,不懂就要学,自己不懂写点扯蛋文章出来就太不厚道了
1. they originally compared oto 76 with the 100 mm naval gun to see which one was better to import and they picked 100 mm one and AK-176 turned out to have even more advantages.
2. at that time, OTO-76 did not have the automation level of 100 mm gun. at that time, it was also easier for China to develop guided munitions for 100 mm (I guess because it's bigger?). And after 054's 100 mm was simplified by over 40% in sensors, it's high speed shooting's reliability is not good
As for purely the accuracy, OTO-76 is better than the other two, but consecutive shot accuracy is garbage. Also, firing speed and initial speed is extremely important for China since it has anti-missile need, that's where AK-176M has serious advantage. After china improved on AK-176M, it is much faster at replacing rounds than OTO-76.
if there are not enough type of munition, you can develop more. As for accuracy, it can also be improved.
you can check in 1982, what kind of munition was used on OTO-76 and what it's speed was. As for AD medium diameter main gun, auto reload is important, the improve AK-176 can achieve reload in no time, whereas OTO-76 is behind here. It's not that OTO-76 is bad, but rather it's design doesn't fit PLAN.OTO76的弹,各位看官去查查,1982年,它有什么弹弹可用,它的速度又是多少?
对于防空型中口径火炮来说自动转换弹种是个关键,在经过中国人的改进后AK176可以实现无间隔转换,而OTO76是明显有差距的.
炮的差距不是炮本身,是其设计思路适合不适合我们.
when you compare China's 100 mm with that of France, it's equivalent to going from French's 100 MK1 to MK2. 100 mm's technology can easily be used on 130 mm, and can use this to develop more advanced munition guidance system. China developing 76 was started around 92 to 94, after improving on AK-176, did not bother to look at the super rapid OTO-76. The initial speed of OTO-76 is 920 m/s, whereas AK-176 is 980 m/s, for over 5000 m, the flight time is 2.5 second shorter. Also AK-176 fires off 10 more rounds. This gives AK-176 certain advantages against anti-ship missile, as for new munition, China is developing it's own.另外明确的说,中国的单100与法国的单100相比,就相当于法国从单100MK1到单100MK2的改进.单100的技术完全可以用在单130上,或者在此基础可以发展先进的弹药管理系统.
中国搞单76是在1992年到1994年间开始.改进了AK176后,根本没有必要再回头去OTO看他的超速76.貌似初速OTO76也就920米/秒. 而AK176达到980米/秒,5000米的飞行时间后者比前者少了2.5秒.射速还快上10发多.对于拦截略海导弹的效果后者要有一点优势,至于新弹嘛,中国人自己搞地.
另外媒体给出的精度数据只是单发1000米密集度,在60-90发的连发射速时,两者没有差别.最后说明AK176的弹药还比OTO多好些,这个在高威胁环境下可以对付更多的目标.
Also, the figure given for accuracy is only for single round 1000 m. When firing 60 to 90 consecutive shots, there is no difference. Also, AK-176's munition is better than OTO, as it can better defend against multiple targets in high threat environment.