Taiwan's Reaction to PLA Force Modernization

[Deleted member 675]

Since this is an "internal issue," mainland China will likely tell others to keep out, so Taiwan shouldn't expect much foreign assistance.

Lol, you think people would care? China tries that on just about everything these days, but no one takes notice. If people think something is serious enough to get involved with, China saying it's an internal matter will change nothing!

Yes, but 98% regard themselves as Han.

So what? Why does that mean they believe in "peace through unity"? It doesn't.

If Taiwan is reunited, I'm thinking maybe they will not be a province, but a part of Fujian, which will connect them more firmly mainland China.

And pigs might fly! :roll:

 

[Ryz05]

Lol, you think people would care? China tries that on just about everything these days, but no one takes notice. If people think something is serious enough to get involved with, China saying it's an internal matter will change nothing!

Most countries will not dare anger China. If they have already agreed to the One-China policy, then they would not support Taiwanese independence. The only supporters will be from civilians, similar to the Students for a Free Tibet and other non-governmental organizations.

So what? Why does that mean they believe in "peace through unity"? It doesn't.

If there is likely to be a war because Taiwan declares independence, then they will believe in "Peace through Unity," because there can't be peace without unity.

 

[Schumacher]

Most countries will not dare anger China. If they have already agreed to the One-China policy, then they would not support Taiwanese independence. The only supporters will be from civilians, similar to the Students for a Free Tibet and other non-governmental organizations.

If there is likely to be a war because Taiwan declares independence, then they will believe in "Peace through Unity," because there can't be peace without unity.

Quite true, if Taiwan openly provoke the situation by declaring independence, it'll be isolated in Asia. Even Uncle Sam will try to prevent Taiwan from such a provocation.
The recent speech by PM Lee of S'pore the report of which I've posted here

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offers some insight into the cross-straits situation.

 

[Deleted member 675]

Most countries will not dare angering China.

They already anger China by:

Having trade offices with Taiwan, which are de-facto embassies
Allowing visits to Taiwan by their legislators and vice versa
Selling or offering weapons to Taiwan
Making trade negotiations with Taiwan
Criticising China over its lack of human rights
Criticising China over its military build-up
Refusing to lift arms embargoes on it
etc.

Countries already anger China in many ways, so your rather arrogant belief that China can do as it pleases is obviously ill-grounded.

If they have already agreed to the One-China policy, then they would not support Taiwanese independence.

They would support Taiwan against an attack by China. The 1CP is not to say China is right, it's simply that they prefer diplomatic relations with China. If China, however, started a war they would back Taiwan as the victim.

If there is likely to be a war because Taiwan declares independence, then they will believe in "Peace through Unity," because there can't be peace without unity.

I doubt it very much - they would fight until the last.

Now I suggest you get back to the main topic and stop with this silly irrelevance.

 

[Ryz05]

They already anger China by:

Having trade offices with Taiwan, which are de-facto embassies
Allowing visits to Taiwan by their legislators and vice versa
Selling or offering weapons to Taiwan
Making trade negotiations with Taiwan
Criticising China over its lack of human rights
Criticising China over its military build-up
Refusing to lift arms embargoes on it
etc.

Countries already irritate China in many ways, so your rather arrogant belief that China can do as it pleases is obviously ill-grounded.

Those irritations are not enough for them to declare war with China.

They would support Taiwan against an attack by China. The 1CP is not to say China is right, it's simply that they prefer diplomatic relations with China. If China, however, started a war they would back Taiwan as the victim.

Not if Taiwan first declares independence. Even then, most countries will assume it's an internal issue and should be resolved by the Chinese themselves.

I doubt it very much - they would fight until the last.

Sure they will fight, but peace only comes through unity, which will make them believe in "Peace through Unity."

 

[Schumacher]

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They would support Taiwan against an attack by China. The 1CP is not to say China is right, it's simply that they prefer diplomatic relations with China. If China, however, started a war they would back Taiwan as the victim.
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Actually, if Taiwan declares independence, it'll be seen as the one starting the war. I know you wish otherwise, but you need to be more familiar of the international views on this issue.

 

[Deleted member 675]

Those irritations are not enough for them to declare war with China.

I doubt any country would decare war on China. The whole point is that it would lose diplomatic influence and Taiwan might receive formal recognition, even if China broke off relations.

What is likely is that the US and maybe Japan would give Taiwan military aid and in the case of the US intervene directly - it wouldn't need to declare war on China.

Not if Taiwan first declares independence.

Taiwan has said it won't because it regards itself as being independent already.

Sure they will fight, but peace only comes through unity, which will make them believe in "Peace through Unity."

Just because you believe something does not mean other people will believe in something. If they have to choose between Chinese subjugation and keeping their freedom by resisting, they will choose the latter option.

Now as I said, I suggest you get back on topic.

 

[Schumacher]

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Taiwan has said it won't because it regards itself as being independent already.

This is a position acceptable enough to both sides for now, if Taiwan is satisfied with the 'independence' they have now.

....... If they have to choose between Chinese subjugation and keeping their freedom by resisting, they will choose the latter option.

Again, lack of understanding of the situation in Taiwan. Both KMT & DPP have chosen presidential candidates advocating closer ties to PRC so the direction Taiwan is choosing is at least opposite to Chen's & what u wish.

 

[Deleted member 675]

Again, lack of understanding of the situation in Taiwan. Both KMT & DPP have chosen presidential candidates advocating closer ties to PRC so the direction Taiwan is choosing is at least opposite to Chen's & what u wish.

Schumacher, why are you bringing up irrelevancies? It is clear you are the one that has a lack of understanding. Both candidates are against forceful unification. In either case, if Taiwan were attacked it would resist - end of story.

Now for the last time, can people please stop bringing up irrelevant off-topic points? This is a thread about the ROCAF, not China-Taiwan unification! If anyone makes any more off-topic comments I will not respond to them.

 

[Schumacher]

Schumacher, why are you bringing up irrelevancies? It is clear you are the one that has a lack of understanding. Both candidates are against forceful unification. In either case, if Taiwan were attacked it would resist - end of story.
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You still don't get it. No one has crystal ball but the direction both candidates have chosen are towards some kind of union rather than away. Of course, if such a direction is maintained, any union will not need to be forceful.
You may not like this, but just shutting your eyes to the obvious will not change a thing.