Taiwan's Reaction to PLA Force Modernization

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[Chengdu J-10]

J-10, J-11, Su-27, Su-30, JH-7, J-8 what a headache for the ROCAF to deal with. ROCAF really needs to strengthen its airforce up, if it hopes to defend Tawain from attack. VTOL is a must in my opinion for the ROCAF, but I cannot see ROCAF getting hands on the F-35, Harrier not the most wise decision to invest money into. F-18 with fold up wings would be ideal, since they can carry various armnaments and can be easily stored with fold wings.

 

[Deleted member 675]

J-10, J-11, Su-27, Su-30, JH-7, J-8 what a headache for the ROCAF to deal with.

Maybe, but then again it's not as if the ROCAF's planes couldn't create "headaches" for the PLAAF too.

ROCAF really needs to strengthen its airforce up, if it hopes to defend Tawain from attack.[/quote]

Well, it has requested more F-16s, which is what the US appears to be willing to sell at the moment.

I cannot see ROCAF getting hands on the F-35

I disagree - I think the F-35 will be offered at some point. It's just an issue of when - maybe towards the end of next decade depending on how the project progresses.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Maybe, but then again it's not as if the ROCAF's planes couldn't create "headaches" for the PLAAF too.

ROCAF really needs to strengthen its airforce up, if it hopes to defend Tawain from attack.

Well, it has requested more F-16s, which is what the US appears to be willing to sell at the moment.



I disagree - I think the F-35 will be offered at some point. It's just an issue of when - maybe towards the end of next decade depending on how the project progresses.[/QUOTE]
Yeah F-16C/D, was a plane to strengthen ROCAF fleet up, but then again remember this that Tawain will be defending, and China will be offensing. So what I mean't was that Tawain must deal with the sea, ground force, protecting their cities and bases, and to further strain them the air.

 

[Deleted member 675]

but then again remember this that Tawain will be defending, and China will be offensing. So what I mean't was that Tawain must deal with the sea, ground force, protecting their cities and bases, and to further strain them the air.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing Taiwan would be defending - it's actually generally a good thing. We really shouldn't have to go into details of why, as they've been discussed many times on the forum.

Stick to comments about the thread title.

 

[Ryz05]

You make it sound like it's a bad thing Taiwan would be defending - it's actually generally a good thing. We really shouldn't have to go into details of why, as they've been discussed many times on the forum.

Stick to comments about the thread title.

If mainland China loses the offensive, then Taiwan should take the fight to the mainland and try to take over the whole China. That's how it usually works in Chinese history, only one will "recieve the mandate of heaven." Otherwise, they can declare peace to give more time before a second assault. I think the idea of "Unity through Peace, Peace through Unity" is deeply ingrained, similar to the United States concept of "Unity and Liberty, now and forever, one and inseparable."

 

[Deleted member 675]

If mainland China loses the offensive, then Taiwan should take the fight to the mainland and try to take over the whole China. That's how it usually works in Chinese history, only one will "recieve the mandate of heaven."

Taiwan isn't interested in controlling China, nor could it if it wanted. The worst thing it could possibly do would be to attack China by any means other than cruise missiles currently under development.

Otherwise, they can declare peace to give more time before a second assault.

The Chinese government couldn't do that. If they started a war and were forced to back down, chances are the resulting domestic unrest would keep them busy.

Also if China declared war, made peace and then declared war again, it would lose all credibility in the international arena and Taiwan would receive more support.

I think the idea of "Unity through Peace, Peace through Unity" is deeply ingrained

Amongst many Chinese, not Taiwanese.

 

[Ryz05]

Taiwan isn't interested in controlling China, nor could it if it wanted. The worst thing it could possibly do would be to attack China by any means other than cruise missiles currently under development.

The Chinese government couldn't do that. If they started a war and were forced to back down, chances are the resulting domestic unrest would keep them busy.

People on the mainland basically all have the same opinion that if Taiwan declares independence, then China must fight to bring it back. So, there shouldn't be any "domestic unrest" as a result of the attack, because the people have a pretty good understanding of what must be done. If the "libration" fails the first time, then there would be a second attempt, so the only way for Taiwan to stop repeated assaults is to be reunited, or to try to take China.

Also if China declared war, made peace and then declared war again, it would lose all credibility in the international arena and Taiwan would receive more support.

The peace means to not fight when China failed to take Taiwan. This gives time to prepare for a second assault. It's similar to the stalemate between North and South Korea - no peace treaty was signed, but peace was declared.

Amongst many Chinese, not Taiwanese.

Taiwanese are Chinese, there is no such thing as a Taiwan country.

 

[Deleted member 675]

So, there wouldn't be any "domestic unrest" that might result because of the attack, because the people have a pretty good understanding of what must be done. If the "libration" fails the first time, then there will more than likely be a second attempt, so the only way for Taiwan to stop repeated assaults is to be reunited, or to try to take China.

That is complete nonsense. If attacked, Taiwan would declare independence. If the war failed, China would have to live with a legally independent Taiwan that would not unify and would receive backing from most of the international community.

That would then cause unrest in China. Chinese people would not give the government a second chance, because they want to stop Taiwan formally breaking away. Once it had done that, peace would mean recognition of Taiwanese independence.

For the government it is permanent war against Taiwan not stopping, or revolution.

It's similar to the stalemate between North and South America - no peace treaty was signed, but peace was declared.

I think you mean North Korea and South Korea.

Taiwanese are Chinese, there is no such thing as a Taiwan country.

They would say they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. You also COMPLETELY miss the point that people IN TAIWAN don't give a monkey's about "peace through unity". That is the point. Chinese nationalist propaganda is irrelevant to most Taiwanese.

 

[Ryz05]

That is complete nonsense. If attacked, Taiwan would declare independence. If the war failed, China would have to live with a legally independent Taiwan that would not unify and would receive backing from most of the international community.

China will try to take Taiwan by force if Taiwan declares independence, and everyone accepts that. Taiwan might declare independence after failed negotiations. Since this status quo can't continue forever, negotiations are more likely than not to happen. As this is an "internal issue," mainland China will likely tell others to keep out, so Taiwan shouldn't expect much foreign assistance.

Taiwanese would say they are Taiwanese - less than 10% regard themselves as being Chinese.

Yes, but 98% regard themselves as Han. It doesn't really matter, because Taiwan is not a country, so Taiwanese are still Chinese which is similar to say what province they come from.