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NiuBiDaRen

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China dominates world export markets despite US trade war
Asian countries' supply chain dependence deepens, with RCEP set to boost trend

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The extent of the global economy's dependence on China is becoming clear.

With the coronavirus pandemic disrupting global logistics, there has been growing momentum to reduce dependence on China in supply chains. But China's share of global exports is actually rising, and is now even exceeding the level before the Sino-U.S. trade war broke out in 2018. Some believe that the recently agreed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, a free trade agreement between 15 countries in Asia and Oceania, will boost China's presence in global trade yet further.

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Of course once the global economy recovers from the pandemic, we don't know what long term trends will take hold. We can only wait and observe
 

hullopilllw

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China to overtake US to become world’s top consumer goods market ‘very soon’
  • Retail sales in China reached 40 trillion yuan (US$6 trillion) last year, and Beijing is switching its focus to its domestic economy to support the economy
  • According to the US census bureau, American retail sales totalled 6.2 trillion in 2019 but are under pressure this year due to the coronavirus

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It is already set to happen in 2020, even before covid.
 

sinophilia

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China to overtake US to become world’s top consumer goods market ‘very soon’
  • Retail sales in China reached 40 trillion yuan (US$6 trillion) last year, and Beijing is switching its focus to its domestic economy to support the economy
  • According to the US census bureau, American retail sales totalled 6.2 trillion in 2019 but are under pressure this year due to the coronavirus

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Isn't retail sales just a subset of total consumption? According to World Bank, US consumption is $14 trillion as of 2018 (not sure why Wiki has it at $17 trillion).

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j17wang

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China dominates world export markets despite US trade war
Asian countries' supply chain dependence deepens, with RCEP set to boost trend

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The extent of the global economy's dependence on China is becoming clear.

With the coronavirus pandemic disrupting global logistics, there has been growing momentum to reduce dependence on China in supply chains. But China's share of global exports is actually rising, and is now even exceeding the level before the Sino-U.S. trade war broke out in 2018. Some believe that the recently agreed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, a free trade agreement between 15 countries in Asia and Oceania, will boost China's presence in global trade yet further.

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Of course once the global economy recovers from the pandemic, we don't know what long term trends will take hold. We can only wait and observe

This is not a good thing, alot of growth is in consumer products. To be honest, alot of global consumers are now "shopped out", I presume by 2021-2022 people will want to go on vacation and holidays and go eat out at restaurants alot more, as there has been a derth of human interaction this year. They had a podcast about this in the economist.

The factory surges right now are temporary, China needs to be able to pivot as rapidly as possible as export demand will dry up. Some export demand will dry up from decoupling, but the majority will just be reallocation of consumer behavior from an abnormal year in 2020. I think the fact that china didnt have a prolonged lockdown does give it a fiscal headroom to spend quite liberally in 2021-2023 on "final modernization" infrastructure (i.e. nuclear plants, rail lines, green energy). I don't think China would get credit for "under-stimulating" relative to the other major economies during the lockdown so it mind as well just engage in some extra spending; not excessive, but enough to put china in the lower bound of the G8 (i.e. $3 trillion stimulus package at about 15-20% GDP).
 

OppositeDay

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Isn't retail sales just a subset of total consumption? According to World Bank, US consumption is $14 trillion as of 2018 (not sure why Wiki has it at $17 trillion).

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What China is about to overtake U.S. in is retail sales of consumer goods. Using the Chinese definition, services other than the food service industry are not included. For example, apartment rents, healthcare spending, education spending, spending on film tickets, games, train tickets, airfare and so on, none of them are included.
 
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