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[KYli]

The story is fake. Made up by some 公知

I know. I just want to emphasize this famous story to make clear an issue. That is we don't need national shaming to move forward anymore. We are not in the 80s and 90s. China has prospered. We should be proud. We should be humble but also be confident. Just look at the pandemic, who is having the last laugh and who should be ashamed.

 

[OppositeDay]

Plenty of kids in the countryside like my grandfather and his friends basically taught each other how to swim in the lake. And fine, while there are people with no access to bodies of water, either artificial or natural, that's NOT >80% of Chinese people. You're giving every one every benefit of the doubt possible to try to avoid the conclusion that there were cowards in that crowd but the truth is that most likely, there were people who knew how to swim but didn't want to jump into cold water and most likely, there were people there who had access to the resources but did not learn to swim because they were lazy. There has to be a LOT of special circumstances for 30+ Chinese people to all have a valid reason NOT to get into the water before that old Brit did.

I realize that some things like weightlifting and martial arts classes are too expensive for some but you've taken it to a point where if it's not likely to be needed to survive, then it's a waste of resources to learn a skill and it's a "good choice" to avoid it. That is the truly pathetic part. I was raised under the banner that every ton of excuse in the world combined is not worth one gram of excellence and from what I hear here, every single response to me is an excuse for why it's ok to forsake excellence. The pathological gravitation towards weakness is sickening.

I never placed any blame on that old Brit; he was capable and brave, more so than anyone in that crowd of young Chinese guys and that's what disappoints me.

Others may wish to disparage Chinese people but Chinese people should not ever provide them with such excellent ammunition as this video here.

I’ve never met a Black Republican IRL, but I think here you sound dangerously like one.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I don't know the percentage of people in China who don't know how to swim but I can say to you that even the middle class Hong Kongers couldn't afford to send their children to swimming classes in 70s and 80s.

I don't make a judgement for something that I don't know so I can't say to you if any of them are cowards. However, I can say there are many Chinese that jump into river or sea to save people from drowning. There are ton of reports of these people who save drowning people and even many of them died in result of this.

People good at math look down people bad at math for not trying. People know how to swim look down at people don't know. People play piano and music look down at people don't. People learn martial art look down at people don't. You think resources are unlimited but for most people they have "Priority" and "money issue". What you think is important might not be what others think is important.

It is only an issue because Chinese care too much about what others think. Chinese need to grow some backbone to disregard what some people think about them. Chinese have the tendency to over-hype other people's achievement but downplay their own success. In the old days, it is called humble. In the real world, it is called stupidity. That's why many Chinese end up worshiping the whites or become super sensitivity over minor incident.

Droves of young Chinese men who can't swim or don't care/dare to save a young lady's life leaving it up to an old foreigner and all I get are:

I know. I just want to emphasize this famous story to make clear an issue. That is we don't need national shaming to move forward anymore. We are not in the 80s and 90s. China has prospered. We should be proud. We should be humble but also be confident. Just look at the pandemic, who is having the last laugh and who should be ashamed.

It is only because I'm so proud that I think Chinese people should be the bravest and most capable people in the world. When met with failure, we should give no excuses, only resolve to improve further. I say this is a national shame in the sense that Usain Bolt would say it's a shame if he ever came in second while running in his prime. If this was India, I would take your excuses and give you 1,000 more. Poor Indians can barely afford to eat and don't even have toilets with a government that has no control or even accurate accounting capability over the pandemic, starting fights with a country that they have no chance of touching; how could you be so cruel as to ask them to swim?? Isn't it enough that they can scrounge a way live? LOL

I’ve never met a Black Republican IRL, but I think here you sound dangerously like one.

Black Republicans are good at everything and have high standards for people? I don't even know what that stupid racist comment means.

 

[KYli]

I think we have to agree and disagree here. Not much of a point to continue this debate.

 

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Very impressive list:

AIM-120C8
(2,004) MK-82 500LB
(1,000) MK-84 2,000LB
(1,002) MK-83 1,000LB
(2,500) Small Diameter Bomb Increment 1 (SDB-1)
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Taiwan ranks lower than UAE?

 

[JsCh]

In some instances you do not need to know how to swim well especially if the person has just fallen into a swimming pool or reservoir. Teach them not to panic as most people will find it easier to float and by learning to tread water. As a kid i could and when put to the test i floated on my back for nearly two hours. man if only they had waterproof comic books.

Came across this news from China recently,

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Source: Global Times Published: 2020/11/11 18:53:40

An old woman who can't swim managed to save herself from drowning after falling into a river in Central China's Hunan Province by wrapping her arms around her chest and floating on the water. Screenshot of video by Toutiao News on Sina Weibo.

An old woman who can't swim managed to save herself from drowning after falling into a river in Central China's Hunan Province by wrapping her arms around her chest and floating on the water, Toutiao News reported.

The 87-year-old woman, surnamed Xie, had gone down to the riverbank to wash her hands when she slipped and fell into the water. "I couldn't swim, so I hugged myself tightly and spat water out when I choked," Xie recalled.

Firemen rushed to the scene soon after receiving the alarm. According to the deputy head of the fire rescue station, Xie had been trapped in the water for some time and could have been swept away at any moment.

Two firefighters in rescue suits immediately went down and used life buoys to pull her back to shore.

Luckily, Xie did not injure herself in the incident, and recovered soon after she was sent to hospital.

Netizens on China's Twitter-like Sina Weibo praised it as a textbook form of self-rescue and admired the old woman's calm in the face of life-threatening danger.

 

[KIENCHIN]

Came across this news from China recently,

It’s called dead man float, first thing you are thought when learning how to swim. The trick is not to panic but of course if you are in turbulent water all bets are off, shi is one lucky woman.

 

[plawolf]

I don't think so. The triathlete Stephen Ellison was born in 1968. This diplomat is 61 years of age according to the article, placing his birth year at 1959 give or take.

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@plawolf Of course it doesn't prove anything. If I thought that this proved what Chinese people and British people are made of, then I'd shut up because there's nothing to be angry about anymore if this is the best that we can do. I'm angry that instead of showing courage, these Chinese people allowed this incident to unfold in such a way that Western MSM can use it as propaganda.

The western MSM will look to spin any and everything into propaganda to further their cause. It’s impossible to never ever have any situation where everyone does the right thing immediately all the time, that’s just not human.

The simple fact of the matter is that a western guy was in the right place at the right time to be the first person to respond to this accident. It’s just pure luck, especially given how quickly it all happened. Had he been further down the road, he would not have seen her first and the girl would have grabbed onto the life belt thrown to her by other good samaritans.

In fact, given the difficult water conditions, the correct thing to have done was to throw the life belt first rather than jump in yourself, as you could easily get into difficulty and either double the rescue work needed, or die needlessly yourself. I have zero doubt that would be the line western MSM would spin had the roles been reversed and a Chinese diplomat jumped in and saved a white girl in a European country.

It’s pointless trying to reason with people who’s actual job is to just spin and lie.

 

[Gatekeeper]

@manqiangrexue

Exactly, don't forget we are not defending other people's inaction here. But we just got to accept it is what it is. Not everyone react the same way.

Kudos to the guy that jump in. But then I would say that no matter whether he's black brown, red white or yellow. And boo hiss to those who didn't not matter if they're from earth or planet Zog.

But what we can't do, as @plawolf said playing into the hands of western MSM, who demonized everything China or Chinese does.

I understand and respect your passion and your moral ethics. But we just need calm down a little.

 

[Mr T]

But just because your family can afford to pay for swimming classes for you doesn't mean that rural, urban low income and farmers' children can afford to learn swimming or they think it is such a priority.

I hate to break it to you, but in a lot of countries the schools give free swimming classes. I had years of lessons in what you'd refer to as elementary school. Maybe China should put more money into education and community sports centres.

Why should so many people trying to make a big fuss over it.

Because it was a 60+ year old diplomat, i.e. the last person someone would expect to have jumped in. I don't know if you think a Chinese diplomat of his age would have been casually walking around the UK and jumped in with barely a moment's thought, but my guess it would be unthinkable to most Chinese netizens given how Chinese diplomats and high-level politicians act.

However, passing a good Samaritan law to encourage more people to help people in need is urgently needed.

This has been proposed for years. Why hasn't the CCP just had it waived through the NPC?