Hong-Kong Protests

lgnxz

Junior Member
Registered Member
why not dispense with the cost of the trial and the judge's salary and just have the CCP hand down a conviction and jail sentence?
Because as I explained already there's no need to interfere in everything, only few special cases that correlate to the national issues. One country two systems is not hard to understand..
Hence my point that the HK government is still trying to send a message to the international banking sector that they can still get a fair deal if they remain in HK.
And they still will, because the new laws have practically zero correlation with the business side of hong kong? Do you really believe that the current situation of hong kong after china intervened and quelled the riot is less conducive for business to flourish? lmao
What happened if her appeal somehow succeeded. Would you acknowledge you were wrong?
Wrong on what exactly? That the american government is a hypocrite by trying to coerce HK to be 'impartial' when they themselves have their own natsec laws, partisan judges, and so on? With or without Meng's release it's already a fact. Man arguing with you is truly something huh..
 

Mr T

Senior Member
Because as I explained already there's no need to interfere in everything, only few special cases that correlate to the national issues. One country two systems is not hard to understand.

In that case, given that Carrie Lam is personally able to decide which judges hear the national security cases, why are you even complaining about those non-HK judges? They don't get to decide if they hear those cases, it's up to the HK government. Are you going to tell me that the HK government is so stupid it can't figure out if a judge is a HKer or non-HKer?

And they still will, because the new laws have practically zero correlation with the business side of hong kong?

That was my point, that the HK government wants to give the impression that you can get a fair hearing in HK and that cases aren't decided beforehand by the CCP. You were implying that you didn't like the idea of judicial independence and that the only purpose you saw judges having is to follow orders from the CCP in deciding cases.

Wrong on what exactly?

This is what you said:

"I expect canada fully kowtowing to america's demand, the whole thing being dragged to be this long is just mere theatrics"

If the extradition appeal is successful, that would mean Canada was not doing what the US wanted.

So I ask you again, will you acknowledge you were wrong about Canada's judicial system if the appeal is eventually successful?
 

solarz

Brigadier
Enjoy watching this before it disappear. As the YouTube link already gone "private".

This is a professor at one of the Hong Kong universities. Trying to say Hong Kong diesnt belong to the Chinese. It belongs to the "world" in May this year.

Now she is actively trying to get this taken down. No wonder the universities is a hotbed of radicalism with people like this poisoning young minds.


Delusions of grandeur.
 

lgnxz

Junior Member
Registered Member
given that Carrie Lam is personally able to decide which judges hear the national security cases, why are you even complaining about those non-HK judges?
Your questions have been answered long beforehand, why do I have to keep repeating my points to you??? It doesn't matter that whether non-HK judges will judge it to the desire of pro-government's will, they shouldn't exist in the first place. The same thing that prevents foreigners to be judges in america or other western countries, no matter how biased they can be, you just simply cannot be in the position in the first place. Furthermore, the current national security laws cannot be used for cases that happened before the law was passed, so my example of the foreign journo that walks free wasn't judged by a judge that can be handpicked by the CE. Take my complaints as a form of criticisms to rules pre-natsec laws, no conviction has been made for people that are charged with the new rules so we don't know what the judiciary's change will be yet.
HK government wants to give the impression that you can get a fair hearing in HK and that cases aren't decided beforehand by the CCP. You were implying that you didn't like the idea of judicial independence and that the only purpose you saw judges having is to follow orders from the CCP in deciding cases.
Of course, yes. How is this even controversial lol. When national matters come, following the one country two systems, hong kong *must* listen.
will you acknowledge you were wrong about Canada's judicial system
LOL, really? The case being brought up as an extradition case in the first place is already a long arm jurisdiction from america and canada pathetically was following it, If you want to make me acknowledge even a sliver of that for canada's judicial system, then canada shouldn't held ms. Meng for 2 years already in the first place. Too little too late to even salvage that by releasing her, all those years wasted can't be brought back. Now that you got my answer, when will you admit that the american government is a hypocrite, following my reasoning? Heck you don't even bother to reply to this topic, wonder why; too embarrassing to say so or too hard to defend such an undeniable fact?

This is my last reply to you as well, so hopefully you will give your response whether the behavior of america with their partisan judges and constant foreign interferences is a hypocrite for sanctioning china and hong kong's government.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
Your questions have been answered long beforehand, why do I have to keep repeating my points to you??? It doesn't matter that whether non-HK judges will judge it to the desire of pro-government's will, they shouldn't exist in the first place.

As I mentioned, they're only in Hong Kong at the express permission of the HK government. The HK government wants them there. The pro-HK government South China Morning Post wants them there too.

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The same thing that prevents foreigners to be judges in america or other western countries

I can't speak for every country, but in the UK you don't have to be British to be a judge. You can also be Irish or from any member of the Commonwealth. You can also be a dual national (e.g. hold a PRC passport). The Irish/Commonwealth link to the UK is much like the ability for non HK-residents to be judges in HK.

But as I said, non-HKers can only be judges in HK with the express permission of the Chief Executive - and I wonder if you really think she'd appoint foreign judges if Beijing didn't want it.

so my example of the foreign journo that walks free wasn't judged by a judge that can be handpicked by the CE

I'm still waiting for the journalist's name. As I said, the foreign judges tend to be in the appeal courts. It's possible that the case you're thinking of was decided by a Caucasian person that lived in HK from birth and therefore has the same right to be a judge as any other HKer. You're not going to suggest jobs in Hong Kong be restricted by race, are you?

Then again maybe you are.

When national matters come, following the one country two systems, hong kong *must* listen.

So what's the purpose of having a court case for national security matters? Why not just dispense with the trial and have the government directly hand down the conviction and punishment?

The case being brought up as an extradition case in the first place is already a long arm jurisdiction from america and canada pathetically was following it

Canada has an extradition treaty with the US. Why would the Canadian government decide not to begin extradition proceedings if it thought the requisite requirements of the treaty were fulfilled?

If you want to make me acknowledge even a sliver of that for canada's judicial system, then canada shouldn't held ms. Meng for 2 years already in the first place

Much of that has been due to her own legal team seeking more time to build their case. If they'd said they were ready to go and wanted an expedited hearing they probably could have had it - until Covid-19 threw a spanner in the works and slowed things down, of course.

Now that you got my answer, when will you admit that the american government is a hypocrite, following my reasoning?

How is the US government a hypocrite for wanting to extradite a Chinese citizen in Canada via its extradition treaty? If you're referring to US criticism of China breaking the Basic Law by giving itself the right to extradite HKers to China, well you've acknowledged that you don't believe in judicial independence for anything involving national security. So I think the US' criticism would be quite valid.

This is my last reply to you as well

Why, were you running out of energy dodging my questions? Try having a cup of coffee, it might perk you up.
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
Hypocrisy at it's best.

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Just read a recent article on the corona thread:


As said by @AndrewS, it is not right to say it has circulated from China earlier than believed. Most actual scientific publications are not pointing to a specific origin of the current virus, at least in terms of the human version (The bat-virus is likely from somewhere near Yunnan, but that doesn't necessarily point to the origin due to unknown time/mutation factors).

It's funny, because much of the western media is talking about eliminating "institutional and systemic racism", yet they are the main cause when it comes to Chinese/Asian racism. I wonder if a western journalist sees a comment like "Chinese are all pigs" and ever thinks "I contributed to that", or they are just totally bought into the idea that PRC cannot possibly be good at all, any racism is collateral damage.

Anyway, as it relates to HK. This is just modern colonial thinking. A bunch of old white men think they can tell Chinese people how they should run China. Absurd. Even worse, they tell Africans to stay away from China as if they don't know any better, like African leaders are children.

I think this shows just how simple minded the HK rioters are. Totally institutionalized colonial thinking.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Wrong on what exactly? That the american government is a hypocrite by trying to coerce HK to be 'impartial' when they themselves have their own natsec laws, partisan judges, and so on? With or without Meng's release it's already a fact. Man arguing with you is truly something huh..

Finally, you realised it's absolutely waste of time having anything meaningful debate with the man from the A-Team. Which I think quite alot of members here have done before you.

His stupidity knows no bounds. And time and time again. He gets called out on it. You will find you finally regain your sanity now you've decided to stop debating with him.

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Phead128

Captain
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
One thing you realize as an HKer in US (born in HK, grew up in US), they don't give a shit, they can't tell the difference between a mainlander and HKer.

That's what they don't realize. They don't care, you are all "Asian/Chinese" to them... even Koreans and Viets.

Maybe "being different" is good to your ego, but at the end of the day, if China becomes a Superpower, all Asians benefit from it.
 
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