Hong-Kong Protests

[crash8pilot]

Seems iron will bend against the Chinese Communist Party.

Nah Thatcher was the boss, but Deng was one badass mother f-er

 

[B.I.B.]

Does it matter? Damage was done based on a 'massacre' that didn't happen (not going to argue with those who say it did, like I said make of the article what you will), and it still continues to cause damage three decades later. That's why the passing of the National Security Law was long needed, especially when Hong Kong has been such a hotbed for the CIA and the MI6 to sow disinformation of the CCP.

Even if the photo is a misrepresentation of the facts I think it would be good to know. Perhaps it wasn't security people who bundled him away but other passersby.

 

[B.I.B.]

Not just that, after helping the British and French in WWI with the expectation that they would hand back Germany's colonial holdings in China, the british americans and french simply betrayed China and handed those lands and peoples to Japan.
What does that tell the Chinese people other than the only way to deal with the british and other western nations is to do so with a gun in your hand and the threat of violence over their hands aka the only way of doing diplomacy with barbarians. History has proven this tried and tested method of diplomacy when the british obediently abided by handing back Hong Kong in the 80s from none other than the Iron Lady herself, Margaret Thatcher.
Seems iron will bend against the Chinese Communist Party.

I was told this story about her stumbling/falling on the steps while on the way to see Deng This led to a foreboding amongst some observers that day that things were not going to go well for her at the talks with Deng. I wonder if that is fact or fiction?

 

[weig2000]

I was told this story about her stumbling/falling on the steps while on the way to see Deng This led to a foreboding amongst some observers that day that things were not going to go well for her at the talks with Deng. I wonder if that is fact or fiction?

Mrs. Thatcher came to Beijing at the time in the hope of negotiating about the future of Hong Kong from a perceived position of strength, having just won the Falklands War. The British wanted to continue to rule Hong Kong beyond 1997, maybe returning the sovereign of Hong Kong to China only in name. Deng told her that China would take back Hong Kong from Great Britain, and if the two sides could not reach an agreement in time, China would announce unilaterally its way of taking over Hong Kong.

Whether Mrs. Thatcher fell at the steps of the Hall of People's Congress after her meeting with Deng had anything to do with how the meeting went is anyone's guess. But a lot of people made the connection nevertheless.

 

[crash8pilot]

Even if the photo is a misrepresentation of the facts I think it would be good to know. Perhaps it wasn't security people who bundled him away but other passersby.

Would the West care to listen though?

We've got all sorts of proof that would "exonerate" our humans rights abuse, heck we even invited people into Xinjiang to witness for themselves these Uyghur "concentration camps" and barely anyone accepted the invitation, choosing rather to continue their assault against China on Twitter and mainstream media (especially Mike Pompeo and the US State Department). Even those who accepted the invitation came with tinted glasses and chose not to reporting the truth when they saw for themselves the freedoms and liberties the CCP still offered to Uyghur Muslims, and that Uyghurs weren't treated like Guantanamo Bay prisoners, nor were they subjects of sterelization or genocide. The same can be said about the protests in Hong Kong, our pollution levels, our claims to the South China Sea, our handling of the COVID pandemic, the undeniable reunification of the Province of Taiwan... etc.

Drawing this back to the discussion - Even if Tankman were alive today, I can almost guarantee the West would be twisting our words, or to say how "he's been held hostage" by the CCP. Quite frankly under American hegemony and elitism, nothing China and the CCP does is right... Not until America and the West get off their moral high horse and see us as an equal.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Nah Thatcher was the boss, but Deng was one badass mother f-er

I was told this story about her stumbling/falling on the steps while on the way to see Deng This led to a foreboding amongst some observers that day that things were not going to go well for her at the talks with Deng. I wonder if that is fact or fiction?

Yes it's true. She did stumble down the steps to her car. I've seen it at the time on news reports. But now I think you'll have difficulty finding it.

I also heard from good authority that Deng got uptight with her during discussion and spat out into the spit pot right in front of her. Apparently it shaken her up a bit.

She maybe the boss back in Blighty. But she met her match. But to be fair, she had a very weak hand, had it been 1800s. I'm sure the gun boats would be steaming ahead towards China.


This is the best I can do. If you search it on the net. The video of her falling is there. But it's blank. Someone must have taking it off.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Even if the photo is a misrepresentation of the facts I think it would be good to know. Perhaps it wasn't security people who bundled him away but other passersby.

The photos was definately a misrepresentation. There's been other photos and video footage surfaced recently. The new photos when zoomed out put a completely perspective of the event. As the roads were completely clear.

The "tankman" even climed on top to talk to the commander. Another of this narrative nothing seem to ask is this:

If the narratives was China is brutal and the soldiers are murdering bastards. And they were mowing everyone in sight because lack of news reporters and cameras. Yet this tank commander did not even run him over or gun him down. Instead he stopped and had a chat with him. After the chat, the man was whisked off by some other passes by.

But of course, as @crash8pilot said. It's pointless, we are just whistling in the wind. The western narratives wouldn't let you discuss this side of the story.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Double posting

 

[B.I.B.]

Yes it's true. She did stumble down the steps to her car. I've seen it at the time on news reports. But now I think you'll have difficulty finding it.

I also heard from good authority that Deng got uptight with her during discussion and spat out into the spit pot right in front of her. Apparently it shaken her up a bit.

She maybe the boss back in Blighty. But she met her match. But to be fair, she had a very weak hand, had it been 1800s. I'm sure the gun boats would be steaming ahead towards China.

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This is the best I can do. If you search it on the net. The video of her falling is there. But it's blank. Someone must have taking it off.

That's because they had to photoshop it. She was actually prostrating herself in front of Deng

 

[broadsword]

Nah Thatcher was the Lady boss, but Deng was one badass mother f-er

Updated for you, in light of new info.