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OppositeDay

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That 43% tho.

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Equally important is reducing outbound international tourism. Chinese outbound tourists spent $254B in 2019 compared to U.S.'s $152B, despite China having only 2/3th GDP.

Buying American brands in China at least benefits retailers in China or even better workers in China. Once tourism money left the country, it's gone.
 

localizer

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Equally important is reducing outbound international tourism. Chinese outbound tourists spent $254B in 2019 compared to U.S.'s $152B, despite China having only 2/3th GDP.

Buying American brands in China at least benefits retailers in China or even better workers in China. Once tourism money left the country, it's gone.

Imagine if that $254 billion was spent in China instead. Easily 2% GDP boost.

I hate Chinese tourists too XD.
 

localizer

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Ah what, that could've meant nearly an 8% growth rate last year for China's economy! Hopefully that $254 billion stays in China this year.

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Besides the tourism bullshit, capital outflow is another 1% GDP.


China would have another 2-3% GDP if it weren't for white worshipping Chinese.

I'd be fine if that 2-3% GDP is spend on actual useful products instead of Gucci and Louis Vuitton and real estate that's gonna get taken away at some point anyway.
 

weig2000

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Besides the tourism bullshit, capital outflow is another 1% GDP.


China would have another 2-3% GDP if it weren't for white worshipping Chinese.

I'd be fine if that 2-3% GDP is spend on actual useful products instead of Gucci and Louis Vuitton and real estate that's gonna get taken away at some point anyway.

Well, you picked the time ('14 - '15) when China had some very large capital outflow. China depreciated the yuan suddenly at the time. The time before that period looks OK. If you look at the picture now, I'm sure it's capital inflow.
 

sndef888

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I really wonder what the US is trying to do. Antagonizing China in all ways using fake news about Huawei, Xinjiang, "mass surveillance", "slave labour".

What is their plan exactly? To force China to capitulate?

Anyone should know that simply won't happen, and the US is simply setting a precedent for China to counterattack once its economy overtakes the US. They're really digging their own graves.
 

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Analysis:
Our call:

By 2025, Beijing will have had little choice but to reform its way out of challenges that result in a Chinese economy that will likely become more open, balanced, and efficient.
China faces one of the most daunting external environments in decades, which ironically will likely push Beijing to further embrace foreign direct investment (FDI) and improve the business environment.
On the domestic front, China’s “internal circulation” agenda will be less about self-reliance but focus on improving productivity and inducing more local competition, while keeping a lid on financial risk.
The pursuit of reform priorities means that at the end of the 14th Five-Year Plan (FYP, 2020-2025), China will likely have eluded the “middle-income trap” and become a near-majority middle-class country.

Key assumptions:

Beijing will relearn some of the lessons from Deng Xiaoping by moderating its approach that balances improving its economic relationships abroad while improving its business and investment climate at home.
Beijing will continue to be hawkish on local finances as its main tool to induce reforms and local competition by forcing them to operate in a resource-constrained environment.

Leading indicators:

Sustained increases in FDI flows and portfolio investment for consecutive years, while annual surveys of foreign businesses in China show continued improvement and confidence in the business climate.
Local debt/GDP ratio stabilizes over the next few years.
Surpassing the high-income country threshold as defined by
the World Bank (~$13,000 GNI per capita).

Overall, I do agree with the assessment China will be able to escape the middle-income trap sometime mid-decade.

Not too bad a call.
CFETS just announced the deactivation of CCF in daily fixing, on top of the removal of 20% reserve on forwards, meaning they are comfortable with market fluctuations and letting Yuan baby sitting go. It all points to China priming up to increased FDI inflows, ie more and more sectors opening up, and increased confidence in Yuan strength over the past five weeks. Stronger Yuan is not bad at all for shaping up domestic demand side of dual circulation; same goes for the new infrastructure expenditures and local high tech development. China is putting her money where her mouth/plan is.
 
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