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siegecrossbow

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The INSAS appears to be a having issues. Wonder who thought of coloring the stock orange. It makes concealment quite difficult and is visible for at least a kilometer. Also the barrel and receiver are painted black ( what a contrast!) ; painted not blued so when the paint flakes off the white metal below is visible, The acrylic transparent magazine was designed with good intent to let the soldiers know how many rounds are left. But acrylic is best for indoor use and does get affected by UV in the sun and may deteriorate and crack. India is very correctly transitioning from the INSAS to M4s , AKs, and SigSauers, But now there are several makes of battle rifles to maintain, An armorers nightmare.

I'm more surprised that the gun couldn't go full auto.
 

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I would like to point out one thing about GDP numbers and how misleading it can be, especially when percentage growth is involved.

China used to enjoy a 10% GDP growth rate and now it's sitting at around 6%. After a few years, it will decline to 2-3% like most developed countries. It sounds like a bad thing but it really isn't.

In 2009, China's GDP was around 5.5 trillion USD (in 2010 dollars). 2010 saw a GDP growth rate of 10.6%, which added ~580 billion dollars. In 2017, China's GDP was 10.2 trillion USD, while 2018 saw a GDP growth rate of "only" 6.5%. Yet by the end of 2018, China had added ~690 billion dollars to GDP despite the far lower growth rate. In today's USD, that works out to 1.5 trillion dollars worth of nominal GDP growth.

The growth rate in percentage is declining, but in nominal terms, the growth of the Chinese economy is still accelerating. Or at least, was accelerating until COVID happened. But as we all know, China has the situation under control after locking down for three gruelling months, and is ready to continue servicing the global economy while most other countries are struggling to get back on their feet.

The Chinese economy is in a good position to overcome the middle income trap. The situation is far from ideal, but the obstacles are not unsurmountable either.
Hello.
I don't understand economy much as i ain't in that field, so I wanted to ask, how does China US economic comparison in dollar term works?
China has been using own Labour base for doing manufacturing & now they are manufacturing of their own using local Labour & resources. Minus the import, they have been using their own currency, isn't that right?
And for US , they have printed 5 trillion in 5 months which is 1/4 th of their entire GDP. So how much of it is real?
 

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I'm more surprised that the gun couldn't go full auto.
Well, there is this British legacy of semi-auto weapons.,No, let me rephrase...actually the answer is more complex.
The Indian army still has a legacy as set up by the British as a mercenary force. The object was to have expert marksman ( or as good as possible) to fight lightly armed insurgents. The PLA, Red Army and the US army all grew out of revolutions with mass mobilization of the common people. It was difficult to train that many marksmen so from muzzle loading muskets to rifles the concept was of volley fire. India adopted volley fire under the British when they were still in the muzzle loading era ( Brown Bess muskets and Enfield IP 53 Rifles ) Remarkably when they moved to single shot breech loading ( Martini Henry) and early Lee Metfords they still retained the volley fire principle, when most countries were abandoning it in favor of "fire at will" principle.
Matters didn't change much during World War 1 by which time the Indian Army had started using magazine bolt action rifles ( Lee Enfield Mark 1). By World War 2 the Indian Army converted to the "fire at will" principle but by that time automatic rifles like the Tokarev, Garand M1, and the SturmGewehr were already in use in battles where self loading automatic fire was increasingly the norm. Also the use of sub-machine guns such as the Sten, PPSh, MP38 were in widespread use. The British gave a very limited number of sub-machine guns to the Indian Army and squad combination was three of four Bren gun supported by a platoon equipped with bolt action rifles. The Sino-Indian conflict in 1962 was fought with this infantry composition. In the late 60s early 70s India adopted the FN FAL 7.62 X 51 self loading rifle in the semi-auto configuration when much of the rest of the world had converted to selective fire assault rifles ( M16s, AKMs, G3 ).
In theory the FN FAL could go auto
but it was entirely uncontrollable in that mode.
To fill the gap India made do with hand me down AKMs either captured or purchased from smaller countries ( Romania etc.) with marginal quality, These were very basic weapons with bent metal "stirrup" type frame stocks and iron sights. Still an AKM is better than a FAL for urban COIN work which is what were the priority operations for the IA till recently.,India has only now started acquiring original Russian manufactured AKMs and AK103s.
The INSAS was developed to replace the AKM because it is supposed to be a "system" rifle that can be fitted with night vision, scopes, grenade launchers and with a bi-pod and lsrger 50 round magazine function as an emergency machine gun.
The problem with system rifles is that even though multiple roles can be configured its performance in each role is marginal. The rest of the world has had a different approach for quite sometime. A standard battle rifle with integrated 4x sighting is adopted with a full auto or 3 round burst capability. Specialist roles such as sniping and grenade launching is done by specially trained infantrymen and special weapons. Indian is now converting to this doctrine.
 

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ougoah

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Let's hope this drama truly cools down and simmers away with India tacitly recognising the changed status quo. They'll probably pull some annoying stunts once in a while to "mark their territory" but those will be almost entirely unimportant. Indian bhakts will continue barking at nothing for the foreseeable future. Hopefully no more little fights or skirmishes through winter. Doesn't appear the CCP will change the newly established status quo without some really appealing offers from India based on Indian lack of enthusiasm and excitement over the results of the latest talks. Pretty much bilateral agreement that China is not going to change anything. India unlikely to change attitude towards Kashmir and reconsider article 370. CCP attention almost entirely directed at Taiwan.
 

ougoah

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India's government and military truly understand they don't stand a fraction of half a chance in an actual shooting war. Not even in their wildest of bhakt fart propelled bollywood dreaming. They've shown zero actual resolve and played up some pathetically pointless "capturing" of uncontested positions on their own side, while actually losing close to 1000 square kilometers north of Pangong lake up to finger 4. This is now pretty much accepted even in bhakt circles despite some still refusing it.

Would have been nice to see a modernised PLA at work against a sizeable paper tiger (more like a paper donkey with motorcycle stuntsmen their most impressive asset) like Indian military but I guess Indian higher ups have a bit more of a clue about PLA capabilities and are not fooling themselve with "bu buh but ... made in Chyyyyyna" group think.

CCP really recognises the military none threat from India and correctly understands the military threat to China is almost entirely from the western Pacific. Publicly showing high terrain military exercises with relatively boring artillery warfare clips but actually moving SAMs to Fujian. Building up PLAAF presence in south Tibet is important for the long term but China knows these sparks won't ignite any real war with India. India is a EM and digital warfare nobody. Taiwan, Japan, USA on the other hand...
 
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