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[manqiangrexue]

Yes, but all US has to do theoritically is hypothetically another "Gulf of Tonkin 2.0"-isque action in or near the SCS/ ESC regions as pretext/guise/pretense to ostensibly fight China and force nations of the world, its allies, vassals and even innocent nuetral bistanders alike etc to pick/choose sides, and since US has the military upperhand, many smaller nations may well go with US again...

And this all plays into the Pompeo propaganda of "CLEAN" nations... an alliance of "CLEAN Nations" as a fortress to defend against the evil/dirty CCP/China, basically trying to get the whole world to dump China software/tech/apps and to wall off China...

So this isn't just American isolationism Qing style, America is isolating itself and ALSO forcing the whole rest of the world to be brought into it, thereby effectively isolating China!

This is not a reply to what I wrote. You are discussing a military conflict, which I do not believe that the US dares to start with any nuclear country, much less China. Remember that you predicted a nuclear strike on the SCS by October. If it doesn't happen then, what will you concede?

It knows that if it can contain China for another 15-20 years, Chinese demographics, aging population, global warming, would keep China busy internally. By then China won’t have the appetite to challenge America anymore.

America is playing the long game. China needs to think outside the box.

That's ridiculous; China and the US will be fierce rivals until one falls behind too far to compete. 15 or 20 years has nothing to do with anything. China is playing the long game by developing itself; I've never seen a country as short-sighted as the US, doing everything it can for the sake of a momentary advantage or even just looking tough/aggressive, but that's the downside when you need to worry about elections and pleasing an angry mob of voters.

 

[BMEWS]

This is not a reply to what I wrote. You are discussing a military conflict, which I do not believe that the US dares to start with any nuclear country, much less China. Remember that you predicted a nuclear strike on the SCS by October. If it doesn't happen then, what will you concede?


That's ridiculous; China and the US will be fierce rivals until one falls behind too far to compete. 15 or 20 years has nothing to do with anything. China is playing the long game by developing itself; I've never seen a country as short-sighted as the US, doing everything it can for the sake of a momentary advantage or even just looking tough/aggressive, but that's the downside when you need to worry about elections.

As a Chinese American living in Texas, believe me I would be happy to be proven wrong and concede on that point. I just have a good understanding of American history and given the current course the US has already taken, the trajectory doesn't look good... if we are all here in October you can claim victory, happily I would concede...

As to the point of American being shortsigthed, it might be that, or it might be that the US realizes this is the Point of Inflection, CIA is very smart after all, and they probably realized if they don't take all out approach and permanently reverse the tide and cap China so much that it will never (in the next 50 years) be able to get ahead of US, that then it will be too late to contain China short of nuclear WWIII etc... so I see it as US realizing the importance of this moment and would rather go "overkill" than risk any chance of losing the momentum to China, because it knows the widow is shrinking and once China passes US enough, there is point of no return...

 

[Tyler]

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Basically all Chinese apps, including wechat, alipay, will soon be removed from Google play and Apple store

They need to ban Apple in China before they move production to India, which is still bogged down by the epidemic. That would send
Apple scrambling when they cannot release their 5G phones right around October and the elections.

 

[manqiangrexue]

As a Chinese American living in Texas, believe me I would be happy to be proven wrong and concede on that point. I just have a good understanding of American history and given the current course the US has already taken, the trajectory doesn't look good... if we are all here in October you can claim victory, happily I would concede...

Living in Texas carries no credibility whatsoever to your point. When in American history did the US ever dare attack a nuclear country? Concessions should not be empty; you should be much more careful about how you post and how outrageous your claims are after October. Don't be like Gordon Chang, who regularly makes nonsensically crazy claims to be proven wrong over and over again.

As to the point of American being shortsigthed, it might be that, or it might be that the US realizes this is the Point of Inflection, CIA is very smart after all, and they probably realized if they don't take all out approach and permanently reverse the tide and cap China so much that it will never (in the next 50 years) be able to get ahead of US, that then it will be too late to contain China short of nuclear WWIII etc... so I see it as US realizing the importance of this moment and would rather go "overkill" than risk any chance of losing the momentum to China, because it knows the widow is shrinking and once China passes US enough, there is point of no return...

If they were so smart, they would have done it long ago. Everything now reeks of a person scrambling to get to the airport because he overslept and the plane is already boarding while he's cursing at people in traffic to get out of his way.

 

[BMEWS]

Living in Texas carries no credibility whatsoever to your point. When in American history did the US ever dare attack a nuclear country? Concessions should not be empty; you should be much more careful about how you post and how outrageous your claims are after October. Don't be like Gordon Chang, who regularly makes nonsensically crazy claims to be proven wrong over and over again.

If they were so smart, they would have done it long ago. Everything now reeks of a person scrambling to get to the airport because he overslept and the plane is already boarding while he's cursing at people in traffic to get out of his way.

Well don't underestimate your adversary, American has proven track record of "failing forward" in the sense that everytime something looked like it was going to do America in, it ultimately prevailed and came back stronger than ever before, I can list you dozens of examples in history. Sure you can point to the fact that the US only has less than 300 year history, and that sooner or later it cannot keep getting lucky forever, but we are talking about the here and now, this new Cold War (that may turn hot at moment notice) with China... US is fully anticipating winning this one just like it won against USSR. As for the Gordan Chang comment, he is obvious ashamed to be part Chinese, that is where its coming from, I'm coming from the angle of better to be too paranoid of your enemy than ever let your guard down again.

 

[SPOOPYSKELETON]

20 gb of LEAKS from Intel. Internal documents, all sorts of juicy stuff. What a coincidence it dropped today.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1291405688204402689

 

[BMEWS]

20 gb of LEAKS from Intel. Internal documents, all sorts of juicy stuff. What a coincidence it dropped today.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1291405688204402689

Can you summarize what these leaks contain?

 

[manqiangrexue]

Well don't underestimate your adversary, American has proven track record of "failing forward" in the sense that everytime something looked like it was going to do America in, it ultimately prevailed and came back stronger than ever before, I can list you dozens of examples in history. Sure you can point to the fact that the US only has less than 300 year history, and that sooner or later it cannot keep getting lucky forever, but we are talking about the here and now, this new Cold War (that may turn hot at moment notice) with China... US is fully anticipating winning this one just like it won against USSR. As for the Gordan Chang comment, he is obvious ashamed to be part Chinese, that is where its coming from, I'm coming from the angle of better to be too paranoid of your enemy than ever let your guard down again.

Sure, list whatever examples you think are relevant and let's see how they can apply to China's challenge today.

Letting your guard down is no excuse for being paranoid. Neither of these are useful at all and those who need to default to one to avoid the other are not prepared for meaningful contribution. Being balanced and realistic is the goal; if you cannot, then the next best thing is to be an observer.

 

[SPOOPYSKELETON]

Can you summarize what these leaks contain?

nope, havent begun to look into them. seems like there are a few backdoors in Intel chips tho, from what others tell me.

 

[BMEWS]

Sure, list whatever examples you think are relevant and let's see how they can apply to China's challenge today.

Letting your guard down is no excuse for being paranoid. Neither of these are useful at all and those who need to default to one to avoid the other are not prepared for meaningful contribution. Be balanced or be a listener is the best philosophy.

I'll start with the most prominent one in mind, the Sputnik moment in which it appeared USSR was winning the space race handsomely in terms of being decades ahead of the USA. Yet it all reversed by the end of the decade with USA successfully landing man on moon and USSR canning its own moon ambitions/projects. From that point on USSR never caught up again in the grand scheme of things..

As to relevance of the China situation today, even this January it looked like Huawei had all but won the 5G war waged against it by USA/Trump. With anti-China socalled cybersecurity experts on Forbes and elsewhere lamenting that fact that despite US years of all out campaign against Huawei, that it still lost and even close allies like the UK still refused to ban Huawei... Europe looked like a win for China 5G.....

Now see how quickly everything reversed course and America came out on top? Whether or not they played fair is besides the point, I never claim about fairness, but we look at results and this is the result.