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BMEWS

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I think you guys give too credits toward those youngsters both in the US and HK. It would take much more than banning TikTok to awaken them.

True

China should tackle the low hanging fruit, use the Pareto principle, make sure its own population and its own youth stop getting brainwashed by Western MSM /propaganda/brainwashing and also make it clear to the entire Chinese population the true intentions of the USA and the fight that China has been pitted up against.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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And symbolism is what it's all about here. For years the US has been accusing China of stifling free speech by banning Facebook and Youtube. Once they ban Tiktok, an entire generation of Americans will realize they've been lied to.

And that matters. Look at HK. See how many youths are brainwashed by American propaganda. Banning Tiktok will be a hammer blow against their delusions.

This is just absurdly wrong, and if you participated in American political culture you would know that.

"Cancel culture", a big deal in American politics, refers to how much liberal Americans love using political correctness to get their ideological enemies fired, banned, deplatformed, and pariahed. It is widespread across the American left and eagerly embraced by the young.

If you want to learn more about this, look up what happened to Bari Weiss and the controversy that produced.

Or just hop in Matt Taibi's Twitter replies.

But if people in China genuinely think this is how it works here in America, then that is pretty bad. Because it shows that neither side has any understanding of each other.

Which may explain Beijing inability to anticipate Trump.

AS a secondary point, liberal Americans don't like "liberal values" because of their genuine benefits. They like them because they denote the "superior" of the American state, irrespective of whether America actually practices those values. They are self congratulatory, which is needed at a time when American elites can do nothing but self congratulate.

AS a consequence, they really don't care if this or that proves America is hypocrite. To Americans, American greatness is taken as a given, and possession of "free speech", "Democracy" or other liberal values is used to retroactively justify that.

You have your causality backwards, which is why this "wait until Americans wake up strategy" has produced such dismal results.
 

horse

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This is just absurdly wrong, and if you participated in American political culture you would know that.

"Cancel culture", a big deal in American politics, refers to how much liberal Americans love using political correctness to get their ideological enemies fired, banned, deplatformed, and pariahed. It is widespread across the American left and eagerly embraced by the young.

If you want to learn more about this, look up what happened to Bari Weiss and the controversy that produced.

Or just hop in Matt Taibi's Twitter replies.

But if people in China genuinely think this is how it works here in America, then that is pretty bad. Because it shows that neither side has any understanding of each other.

Which may explain Beijing inability to anticipate Trump.

AS a secondary point, liberal Americans don't like "liberal values" because of their genuine benefits. They like them because they denote the "superior" of the American state, irrespective of whether America actually practices those values. They are self congratulatory, which is needed at a time when American elites can do nothing but self congratulate.

AS a consequence, they really don't care if this or that proves America is hypocrite. To Americans, American greatness is taken as a given, and possession of "free speech", "Democracy" or other liberal values is used to retroactively justify that.

You have your causality backwards, which is why this "wait until Americans wake up strategy" has produced such dismal results.
I like your reply, but I do not understand it. It is sophisticated and I guess over my head.

My impression of American political culture, and Canadian political culture, is that the opposing sides try to spend all their time to score cheap political points against one another. That is why a lot of people believe politics is a waste of time, and a joke.

Here this point, where the Americans claim superiority because of freedom, but still bans or forces a sale of TikTok, that is a direct hit against Liberal values, which is what suppose to make the Americans better, but now exposed as completely fake, just like the news.

That cheap point will score forever.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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I like your reply, but I do not understand it. It is sophisticated and I guess over my head.

My impression of American political culture, and Canadian political culture, is that the opposing sides try to spend all their time to score cheap political points against one another. That is why a lot of people believe politics is a waste of time, and a joke.

Here this point, where the Americans claim superiority because of freedom, but still bans or forces a sale of TikTok, that is a direct hit against Liberal values, which is what suppose to make the Americans better, but now exposed as completely fake, just like the news.

That cheap point will score forever.

My point is that they only care about liberal values to the extent it makes them look more civilized to others. In reality, free speech is not respected in the political arena.

And since they see themselves as more civilized, actions against the "uncivilized" (China) dont count.
 

horse

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My point is that they only care about liberal values to the extent it makes them look more civilized to others. In reality, free speech is not respected in the political arena.

And since they see themselves as more civilized, actions against the "uncivilized" (China) dont count.
Yes, I agree.

Us Chinese in North America has been "cancelled" long time ago even before this "cancel culture" ever appeared. That is why I do not care, they should tear down more statues!

Thanks!

:)
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Yes, I agree.

Us Chinese in North America has been "cancelled" long time ago even before this "cancel culture" ever appeared. That is why I do not care, they should tear down more statues!

Thanks!

:)


Well, obviously the protests are doing a good job at causing damage. I think they should continue too.

But I am just using political correctness to show how America doesn't believe what it preaches. Everyone in America, already knows that, so more hypocrisy won't inspire any change.
 
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I FIGURED IT OUT!

Trump is punishing China for COVID and jeopardizing his reelection. He is listening to all demands of Pompeo and Navarro and other China hawks, short of war, for now.

In case you have not noticed,. The US has already initiated a full scale cold war against China, Chinese, Chinese American. It is political, diplomatic, psychological, commercial, technological, social, propagandist,. ... It is war by all means short of a shooting war. China and Chinese are being setup as new bogeyman much like they did Russia.

This has nothing to do with democracy or freedom, justice or fairness
 

BMEWS

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In case you have not noticed,. The US has already initiated a full scale cold war against China, Chinese, Chinese American. It is political, diplomatic, psychological, commercial, technological, social, propagandist,. ... It is war by all means short of a shooting war. China and Chinese are being setup as new bogeyman much like they did Russia.

This has nothing to do with democracy or freedom, justice or fairness
And likely to go kinetic this october, and also you left something off the list from last october
 
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