China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

[BMEWS]

Also now US forced countries to take side and made them drop huawei contracts. So in the future whatever technology products China has on its own has very little upside of selling. Majority of that would be in China domestic market.
US has a strangle hold on many countries therefore the prospect of China become very powerful as time goes by is debatable. Its upside has already been severely capped by US.

This is the US goal, to coerce its vassals to stick to it, to turn away from China and the Chinese market especially as it pertains to anything hi-tech, thereby depriving China of the world market, meaning to make China's tech ascension and tech independence that much harder if not even impossible, and thereby as a consequence with the larger end goal of capping China developmentally to deprive it the ability to get out of the low income trap, so to speak....

Between getting EU/UK other nations to capitulate on the 5G stance, getting Phillipines to do reverse 180 on the VFA thing, and now forcing bytedance to sell TikTok to US companies etc it does seem the strategy is to capitalize on US leads/strength and hegemony in order to create the sort of dynamic that isolates China and surrounds China with enemies and adversities so that it cannot continue up the normal trajectory of eventually outgrowing America...

So at some point the calculus in Beijing will still need to change from one of "bid time" (minimal to no retaliation) to one of making strategic moves against the US directly as well... So far China has done very little to nothing in response, but as it becomes increasingly more clear that the US is not going to relent, and that at some point in this curve that doing nothing will be far more harmful than China striking back, then China would be wise to the whatever maximizes its success or minimizes/mitigates the harm inflected upon it by US and US vassals...

To use the game of Go as analogy, maybe (to give the opponent benefit of doubt) the US does have the upper hand, and that US is like AlphaGo and China is running a version of lesser Go AI, so in the end US might still win out in the long run anyway, but the difference would be if China always avoid a fight be it locally or globally it will incentivize the opponent to be more and more greedy and win by many more points than it otherwise would have gotten away with from...

China should do whatever it needs to maximize

 

[nastya1]

Soviet economy was 10% of America's and the economy is the base for the military. You cannot be superior in military and tech without an at least competitive economy. I feel that the Soviets were creating a veneer of confidence through their aggression (and you bought that veneer) but inside, they knew that the things they did were just trophy projects without the ability to actually change the landscape of competition between the two powers. I maintain that they were aggressive in words, but not in actual military instigation (just like the US today) because they felt helpless and the need to lash out.


Even with America's ban, Huawei remains the largest telecom company worldwide with the greatest number of 5G contracts, 5G devices sold, and overall phones sold. On top of this, it's becoming clearer every day that Chinese tech innovation has been positively spurred instead of depressed by America's attacks. These are Americas last cards to use and it is watching them play out with minimum or undesirable effect. As if that wasn't troubling enough, now America sees its economy reel from COVID while China's is already in strong recovery. This is what fuels American frustration, desperation, and ultimately, aggression.

When America was so strong, and China was weak, this is not how America behaved. It was diplomatic in rhetoric but its actions were effective. Today is a total reversal and it certainly is not because China became weaker in relation.

During qing period, its economy was number 1 in world but was no match against little england.

Soviet could have won or at least stalemale against US and its allies had it not alienate China.

Lets say had Soviet gave back Siberia and mongolia to China. and let China gain and those two remained allies. China would take care production of food and basic products

In that case i dont think Soviet would have lost the cold war. Even Soviet has much less economy than US but with China as its side kick, it would not lose the cold war

There is quality versus non quality contracts.
Huge difference in selling 5g to UK and Italy versus selling to afirican nations where huawei has to barter 5g contracts with minerals and other natural reaources

 

[Gatekeeper]

Why does India like to think everything everyone does has to be about her? LOL

India's relation with Iran is in trouble because the former is acting more and more like a lackey of US, which is against Iran's core interest. What does that have got to do with China? If India is truly sincere in developing trade with Iran, no amount of US sanction can affect her.

If Iran matter really so much it India, then she should declare an even bigger trade/investment deal to link with Iran and do it in defiance of US, that will also show how brave India always hopes to portray herself to be.

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It's obsession. The insecurity is ingrain in the national phscology. Don't forget India had a difficult birth as a nation, being split into three separate entities, and still fighting a forth entity today, all these for existence of 70 years.

 

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[escobar]

how do you know?

Because everytime China throw Iran under the bus to appease US.
Exactly like when China accept sanction on NK thinking that will appease Trump.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Depends. If i were Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson addressing US, after pompeo's speech i would have said "Chinese people are very worried abut fatso pampoo's health because he looks out of shape,struggling to catch his breath while doing what he did in CIA, he shouldn't forget he isn't in CIA anymore".
When Donald trump said kung-flu, i would have returned the favor reminding the world what The great american swine did to world. US HIV did to world.
If US talks about communist party, i would have said US is the communist party of the world by same standard that is trying to dominate the world colonizing other countries. World doesn't want them.
I would have invited them to challenge me. Do you think they can answer?
It's not about who is saying it, it's about what's being said. When people listen to these, you can rest assured they are going to dig these up further, parts of histories that were never challenged/debated because of other countries were busy rebuilding themselves from devastation of WW2.
US doesn't want it's past history & present policy to be part of global discussion which can stir up public against them. It is always desperate to keep itself outside of debate while pretending to be captain of some kind of group facing adversaries.
You need to learn the game of words. You need to choose words that tell stories.
Information is double edged sword.
If your opponent is trying to give you impression that it can trigger regime change or government collapse, you need to give impression that you can trigger a civil war. It doesn't mean you need to do it. This is game of impression.
Right now, China is simply a soft target, because pampoo knows China has no clue how to answer him :-/
Else, when pampoo said they invited china in open arms, china is burning the hands that fed it, China should have gone to action reminding the world how US murdered the native americans who also welcomed them in open arms, the hands they burned, a land they inherited from their colonizing forefathers. China should have asked how thieves standing on stolen properties can invite others in open arms. China should have told Nixon wanted Chinese cheap labor,not prosperity of china. That was his true intention like his back door deal with kings, like his bretton-woods shedding.
How many among young do you think knows about these histories?
China would have set the BP high in entire DC.

Ok. I can see you're frustrated, and you're probably young impatient person. But let's be serious, if it was effective as you think, don't you think the best brains in the Chinese foreign diplomatic department would have thought of that?

Yes, it would be wonderful to throw back all baseless accusations back into their face, and at the same time point out all their failings.

But think for a moment. You're assuming their "freepress" is really free, and will report everything that you wrote as above. Please don't be so naive, their control of their "freepress" is absolute. Do think for one minute you'd have an audience in the West for what you say ref all the above?

 

[escobar]

There is quality versus non quality contracts.
Huge difference in selling 5g to UK and Italy versus selling to afirican nations where huawei has to barter 5g contracts with minerals and other natural reaources

Yes. They threaten UK over Huawei ban. And after UK ban they said UK 5G market is small, so no worry.
If the UK market is so small, why the threatening? Almost Comical

 

[nastya1]

Because everytime China throw Iran under the bus to appease US.
Exactly like when China accept sanction on NK thinking that will appease Trump.

You do realize China US and its allies relationships are rupturing currently. Cant go back no more past relationship.

 

[manqiangrexue]

During qing period, its economy was number 1 in world but was no match against little england.

England's economy may not have been as large but it was healthy and technologically advanced while China's was backwards. Soviet economy was never healthy or advanced compared to US.

Soviet could have won or at least stalemale against US and its allies had it not alienate China.

Lets say had Soviet gave back Siberia and mongolia to China. and let China gain and those two remained allies. China would take care production of food and basic products

In that case i dont think Soviet would have lost the cold war. Even Soviet has much less economy than US but with China as its side kick, it would not lose the cold war.

That's really not the topic for what could have happened. The point is why the Soviets were more rhetorically aggressive than the US and whether or not that's the same reason that the US is rhetorically aggressive towards China and I think is it. If the US saw weakness in China, it would never do the insecure things it does.

There is quality versus non quality contracts. Huge difference in selling 5g to UK and Italy versus selling to afirican nations where huawei has to barter 5g contracts with minerals and other natural reaources

Quantity is a quality all on its own. Huawei still has the more resources and is growing faster than any other telecom company. 13.5% growth in 2020 H1, right through all the US ugly tricks and the pandemic. The US has no idea what to do with that.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Yes. They threaten UK over Huawei ban. And after UK ban they said UK 5G market is small, so no worry.
If the UK market is so small, why the threatening?

Just because someone is small does not mean his actions can go without consequence. There is no contradiction.

Almost Comical

Not nearly as comical as your inability to rebut counterpoints or justify your defeated claims.