That's probably true. "Several kilometers" is a trivial distance, the pilot could probably see the plane.
J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII
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Yeah, I saw that. That was when they claimed their MKI was able to detect J20 flying around in China!
Have we heard anything so stupid?
Please treat any Western or Indian analysis of the J-20 with a huge grain of salt. They've already completely discredited themselves by insisting the canards aren't stealthy and how the J-20 is a dedicated aerial interceptor or strike fighter over the past 10 years.
Very good article for India, Hope they believe it, and prepare combat strategy based on this article.
Hope more and more articles like this circulating in Indian media.
To be fair, J20 is detectable by radars. It isn't an invisible jet. What matters is the minimum distance that J20 must maintain to remain untracked (not just detected). I'm fairly certain that J20 will prove extremely dangerous to Rafales or any other fighter owing to its LO features(supercruise or not).
Since an Indian Air force chief is nevertheless an "Air force Chief", it is simply too offensive/deluded to suggest that anybody here knows better. I'm thinking that the AF chief had to say that (was forced to) Su 30 MKI could detect it without going into much details. He is technically not wrong, is he?
What matters is whether J20, in a conflict theater, could be tracked, locked on and shot down by Air to Air missiles (whose Radars again need to lock on if it's Fire and Forget). The J20s LO feature threatens to disrupt almost all of these processes.
Maybe Infrared missiles might do the trick but sadly, they need to be in Visible ranges.
Since an Indian Air force chief is nevertheless an "Air force Chief", it is simply too offensive/deluded to suggest that anybody here knows better. I'm thinking that the AF chief had to say that (was forced to) Su 30 MKI could detect it without going into much details. He is technically not wrong, is he?
What matters is whether J20, in a conflict theater, could be tracked, locked on and shot down by Air to Air missiles (whose Radars again need to lock on if it's Fire and Forget). The J20s LO feature threatens to disrupt almost all of these processes.
Maybe Infrared missiles might do the trick but sadly, they need to be in Visible ranges.
TBH, the Indian situation is very simple. Many Indians are delusional about their relative strength vs China, but the politicians know how any war will go down.
This is part of the delusion / delusion proposing element; he's completely ignorant of what the J-20 is, and shittalks it to try to encourage aggressiveness.
This is sort of like one of the few Indian articles I've seen; i.e, people have been arguing for a strong response, including elements that permit the recklessness of Indian Army officers, up to and including tactical nuclear strikes.
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So while I don't like to downplay the Rafale, either, given its strengths, I think this hit job on the J-20 is horrifically misinformed.
I mean this is domestic / internal propaganda, then, if he's an Air Force Chief. He likely knows the full capabilities of the J-20 (unless the Indians are ridiculously delusional), and how difficult it is to use a 4th / 4.5th gen aircraft to engage a 5th generation aircraft. He just wants to pretend otherwise publicly to encourage a strong response (and there's a lot of InA / InAF hawks) and avoid the embarrassment of Indian politicians admitting they aren't on China's level.
Although it is true about being detectable, he isn't saying that. He didn't just say the J 20 CAN be detected. He has actually claimed it HAS been detected in the past. Which make me think;
Has any J 20 stray into India airspace or even stupid enough to go close to Indian space? If not, then the mighty MKI must have a super duper radar that is able to detect stealth fighters deep into Chinese territory! Either that, or the J 20 is rubbish at stealth.
Either way, it's an amazing claim.
Extremely, extremely, simple answer.
Whenever someone claims they detect a stealth aicraft, the question is: was a Luneberg Lens on?
And Chinese J-20s and IIRC Su-57s are similar to the F-35; the rear stealth, especially in the case of the J-20, is abysmal.
Stealth is a question of angle, power, receiver, and frequency. There are most likely angles that the F-22 looks like 50 dBsm or 100,000 m^2. These angles are just virtually impossible to exploit (i.e, viewed directly from below or above) and even when this shows up in a lesser case (like a temporary spike to -20 dBsm from -40 dBsm), the emissions control system is designed to control the angle to which the aircraft faces an emitter.
Something that is supposed to be a simple answer. Confuses me even more. Just tell me in layman's term. Did they detect a J 20 deep in China's interior or not? If so, then China and anyone else is wasting their money on Lungberg lens or not.
I think someone here said recently, people without stealth aircraft will always poopoo other people's stealth aircraft, until they get their hands on one themself. That I think it's where this wing commander is right now.
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