Chinese Economics Thread

hullopilllw

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Which country are you in? The easiest thing is to find an Exchange Traded Fund ("ETF") in your country's stock exchange that invests in Chinese companies. You simply put however much money you want into the ETF and the fund collectively buys a bunch of stocks in e.g. the top 50 Chinese companies. This is a lot safer than picking individual Chinese stocks to invest in because if one of the companies fails, you don't lose everything. In this sense, you are betting on the Chinese stock market as a whole to do well.

Example: Kraneshares in the US. You'd simply buy the stock symbol "KFYP".
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this is just one example of many.

Nice. iShares MSCi China ETF (MCHI) is also a popular etf for those wanting to get some actions on Chinese stock market. But please note that the Chinese stock is at a ten year high right at this moment, seems like revenge buying after the covid fueled mini crash in March.
 

ansy1968

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Even in a demanding and depressing year, with the pandemic, trade wars and sanction. Huawei managed to grow slowllllyyy :cool:

From cnTechPost

Huawei sees slower revenue growth of 13.1% in first half of 2020
2020-07-14 5:09:29 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei sees slower revenue growth of 13.1% in first half of 2020-cnTechPost

In the first half of 2020, Huawei achieved sales revenue of RMB 454 billion, an increase of 13.1% year-on-year, Huawei's operating results released on Monday showed.

The growth rate was down from 23.2% in the first half 2019. Huawei said net profit margins were 9.2%, up from 8.7% in the first half 2019.

Huawei sees slower revenue growth of 13.1% in first half of 2020-cnTechPost

This is against the backdrop that the U.S. placed Huawei on a blacklist in May of last year, restricting sales to the company of U.S.-made goods such as semiconductors. Huawei built up inventories and also continued to design its own chips and have them manufactured by TSMC and others.
In May, U.S. officials announced new rules aimed at constricting Huawei’s ability to self-supply chips, an ability that is critical to its efforts to sell 5G networking gear.


Huawei did not announce the composition of its revenue in various global markets. From the 2019 annual report, Huawei's high growth in 2019 is mainly supported by the Chinese market. In several overseas markets on the other hand, Huawei is under greater pressure.
In 2019, Huawei achieved sales revenue of 506.733 billion yuan in China, an increase of 36.2% year-on-year, and its share of the market also increased to 59% from 51.6% in 2018. Outside of China, the Americas, EMEA and Asia Pacific all saw declines in revenue share. Among them, Asia Pacific sales revenue was $70.533 billion, down 13.9% year-on-year.

Huawei's growth support in the first half of this year should also come mainly from the Chinese market.
In terms of business composition, consumer business revenue was $255.8 billion, up 15.85% year-on-year. Operator business revenue was 159.6 billion yuan, up 8.94 percent year-on-year. Enterprise business revenue was 36.3 billion yuan, up 14.87% year-on-year.
Huawei sees slower revenue growth of 13.1% in first half of 2020-cnTechPost



In recent years, Huawei's consumer business revenue has consistently grown rapidly and overtook operator business for the first time in 2018 to become Huawei's largest source of revenue. The consumer business accounted for more than 50% of revenue in the first half of 2019 for the first time, from 2018's 48.4 percent to 55 percent. For the full year 2019, the business accounted for 54.4 percent of revenue.
In the first half of this year, the contribution of the consumer business to Huawei's revenue grew further to 56.34%.

However, the inability to use Google's GMS in products in overseas markets is a great challenge for Huawei's overseas mobile business.
Huawei has increased its investment in its handset business in the domestic market, with GFK data showing that Huawei (28%) and Honor (14%) have reached 42% of the overall market share in China.

Huawei is also building HMS to replace Google's GMS. Since February this year, Huawei has pre-installed HMS on Huawei and Honor products in overseas markets.
Recently, Huawei also launched HMS Core 5.0 for developers worldwide, bringing services covering seven domains, including application services, graphics, media, artificial intelligence, smart devices, security, and systems.
Huawei said ICT technology not only plays an important role in the fight against epidemics, but also as an engine for economic recovery. Huawei is willing to work with operators and partners from all industries to ensure stable network operation and help countries fight epidemics and recover their economies.


Huawei said that in the face of a complex external environment, open cooperation and mutual trust in the global industry chain is increasingly important. No matter what the difficulties are, Huawei will continue to fulfill its obligations to its customers and suppliers and strive to survive and move forward.
 

nugroho

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China's GDP will be ~$15 trillion

US GDP is $21 without drops.

With 20% drop it goes down to 17 trillion D:.



I personally think China needs to get rid of its dollars and appreciate the yuan so Chinese can consume their own products.

If we appreciate Yuan to $6/USD, we should be over US GDP this year.
US 2019 GDP is 21,43 trillion usd
with -10% growth it will be 19,3 T; -20% will get 17 T
China 2019 GDP is 14,1T
with +2% growth it will be 14,4 T
So in nominal USD ( not PPP ) China economy in 2020 will be likely 75- 85 % USA
 

muddie

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US 2019 GDP is 21,43 trillion usd
with -10% growth it will be 19,3 T; -20% will get 17 T
China 2019 GDP is 14,1T
with +2% growth it will be 14,4 T
So in nominal USD ( not PPP ) China economy in 2020 will be likely 75- 85 % USA

China GDP is expected to grow 1% - 2% (most estimates are around 1.8%).

U.S. GDP is likely to contract 6% - 7% (most estimates are around 6.3%).

Eurozone is expected to take the biggest hit with 7% - 8% decline.
 

manqiangrexue

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China GDP is expected to grow 1% - 2% (most estimates are around 1.8%).

U.S. GDP is likely to contract 6% - 7% (most estimates are around 6.3%).

Eurozone is expected to take the biggest hit with 7% - 8% decline.
I don't see how the US can contract just 7% for the year. Mathematically, that means a combined -28% all 4 quarters added up. Q1 was -5%. Q2 is something like -35% so that's about -40% right there. To get to -28%, that means Q3 and Q4 have to be average positive 6% each, and that's compared to 2019 Q3/Q4, not the disastrous quarters that just followed. When was the last time the US posted 6% for a quarter even in the healthiest economy? That's not to mention that it would be a massive achievement for the US to even begin to recover (>0%) in Q3 (or even Q4), which is very much in the air and looking worse as the pandemic in the US rages on. I don't see how they can confine all 4 quarters total to just -28%.
 

Gatekeeper

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That's it UK has thrown it's lot with America. So much for free market. And now the message from the UK on their government mouthpiece, the BBC just now. Broadcast to the nation is that the UK shouldn't be dealing with a dictatorship with poor human rights, blah blah. But it's funny no mention of armed sales to the saudies and Indians? Talk about hypocrisy!

Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

By Leo KelionTechnology desk editor

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"adding tension to its troubled relationship with the United States".

Typical MSM, that line suggest it was China's fault. But all this started because USA's decision to sell arms to ROC. China is the innocent party in this. But that line alone trying to mislead readers showed just how much news is manipulated by western governments.
 

Gatekeeper

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Interesting. How does one go about investing in Chinese stock market? I am quite clueless though I have interest.

Oh don't. It's not for the faint hearted! It is just a glorify gambling den.

@localizer

I personally think China needs to get rid of its dollars and appreciate the yuan so Chinese can consume their own products.

If we appreciate Yuan to $6/USD, we should be over US GDP this year.

Patients my friend. Just as sure the sun will rise in the morning, El passo will come.

@manqiangrexue

Yes, you're right. But they are forecasting a bounce back due to pent-up demands in the last two quarter. And for this to happen, schools needs to be re-open, with all other sector of the economy. Which is why Trump is calling for this.

If Trump get it's way at the expenses of more deaths. Then it's reasonable to forecast -10%
 
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Nobonita Barua

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That's it UK has thrown it's lot with America. So much for free market. And now the message from the UK on their government mouthpiece, the BBC just now. Broadcast to the nation is that the UK shouldn't be dealing with a dictatorship with poor human rights, blah blah. But it's funny no mention of armed sales to the saudies and Indians? Talk about hypocrisy!

Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

By Leo KelionTechnology desk editor

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Too much emotion is what make themselves feel important.
My proposal would be to meet them point to point.
My question is, being companies like Huawei, Samsung already here, do we really need western companies in regions like south asia, south east asia ?
 
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