ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks

RichardGao

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hI RichardGao,

Thanks for the info, Appreciated and well done. :)
Thanks for your appreciation, I'm just doing my job of translating some official info on these gear (also english translation exercise for me lol). If it's non-official info then I'll think twice before I post. :)
 

ansy1968

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I learn a lot, Im a fan of western tank especially the LEOPARD of Germany, the beautiful lines of T14 Armata . Thru you I learn to appreciate the Chinese tank, the technology behind it and its function. But sometimes it lack something to be considered modern, like you said VT-4 looks more modern than TYPE 99A, the design aspect need some improvement. ;)
 

by78

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Two more...

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Incidentally, the Chinese observe the proper 3 generations of MBTs, as opposed to having 4 generations of jet fighters when others have 5 generations. So the Chinese are quite aware of the short-comings of the ZTQ-15 as anything more than an infantry support tank when they say the main gun can penetrate 2nd generation tanks, implying that it can't penetrate 3rd generation tanks.

Aside from the weaknesses of the 105mm and the lack of stated gun-launched ATGM, there's also a lack of APS which will impact survivability despite the presence of modular armor. Moreover, a major impetus for the development of gun-launched ATGMs was the presence of attack helicopters with potent anti-tank missiles; gun-launched ATGMs were intended to target the helicopters as well and knock them out.

On the gun front, though, part of the point of having a 105mm, though, might be to remind commanders that this is an infantry support tank and is utterly unsuited for anti-armor work, leaving anti-tank roles to IFVs set up for tank destruction work (ATGM carriers) and gunships. Even if the 105mm were upgraded to support gun-launched ATGMs, or if the 105mm were given a ETC gun (which would roughly double the energies), the tank would still be insufficiently armored to survive in a real fight with MBTs.

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Oh hey, here's a source claiming that the VT-5 (export version) includes a gun-launched anti-tank missile.

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Hendrik_2000

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I'm not bashing the ZTQ-15 as a bad tank, for what it provides (extreme high-altitude mobility, excellent infantry support functions), but it would be better if it had more robust anti-tank capability. As others have suggested, fire-and-forget top-attack gun-launched ATGMs would allow it to contest T-90s successfully without requiring Z-10s to do the tankbusting for it. We just have no indication that Norinco et al have developed such a missile.

What China does not have top attack anti tank Guided missile ? Where where you hiding all this time under the rock?
Check this one out AFT 10 using HJ 10

Or this top attack missile HJ 12 that will be carry by the infantry accompanied the Type 15 tank brigade

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When facing non-armored point targets, bunkers and fortifications, the missile can be fitted with either high-explosive or thermal effect warheads. Its fire-and-forget technology will reduce the number of anti-tank operators needed on a battlefield, which lowers probable casualties. When engaging enemy tanks and armored vehicles, the HJ-12 aims to destroy the top of its targets, the more vulnerable point.
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Or demonstration at minute 2:48
 

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@Hendrik_2000

Gun-launched top-attack anti-tank missile; the one posted was top-attack, but not gun-launched. HJ-10s and HJ-12s have too great a diameter to be fired from a ZTQ-15's 105mm main gun.

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VT5 is equipped with,armor units%2C according to CCTV.

So the VT5 is slated to get an APS, as well as a gun-launched anti-tank missile. No news on whether these upgrades would make it back to the ZTQ-15, though.

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Imo the concept underlying a light tank as an infantry support tank should emphasize armor and mobility over firepower. Since the tank is lighter, it should be cheaper, but where you compromise is on firepower. The firepower is perfectly adequate when it comes to anything less than a MBT, and can do infantry support jobs quite well.

Essentially, what you're looking for is an armored shell--because the light tanks are cheaper, you actually have greater mass / survivability in an area with light tanks compared to an equivalent cost of MBTs. In concert with MBTs, light tanks could end up becoming a way to present survivable targets that soak up fire while the MBTs and other anti-tank equipment do the actual killing; a shield compared to a sword, in other words.

And in an urban area, up-armored light tanks would be more effective than MBTs since the light tanks with APS and ERA absorb missile fire more cost-effectively than MBTs, while having all the firepower they need to support infantry fighters.

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For China's strategic set-up, if it were actually planning for a real war, an updated version of People's War would be more appropriate. The strongest aspect of China's military potential is in its industrial capacity, or its capacity to outproduce and outlast a foe in a full-scale war, just as the Soviets neutered the Nazis. Likewise, the PLA is generally inexperienced, and its force structure for a full-scale war should focus on delaying and extending the combat for its industrial capability to kick in; i.e, there's not enough of an advantage to do things a la the Japanese or even the Nazis, both of whom focused on a fast, decisive blow to disable their potentially more powerful opponents before their opponents could step up production, which in actual history they did.

So in this context, the ZTQ-15 is a good sign. I've been hamming and hawwing about how the ZTQ-15s couldn't take on Indian T-90s, but the fact that they're not really suited to it is a good sign. Unlike, say, the PL-15 missile, or more relevantly the T-14 Armata, no one is complaining that ZTQ-15 means they'll have to develop a next-generation tank model. And in a real war the ZTQ-15s could, by mass, stop enemies on the ground long enough for military production to scale up.
 
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