China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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Bob Smith

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What I don't get about that guy is why he's such a fan of the DF-41. He went and made a game about it
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Seems out of character for him. You'd think he'd advocate for China's total unilateral nuclear and conventional disarmament. It's not nice to threaten people who want to nuke you with retaliation after all, and being a doormat in international relations is the tidalwave way.

Probably suffers from multiple personality disorder. The simulator looks impressive for being a free side hobby project.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Not true, there is plenty China could do

- Not pass the HK "security" law
- Not lock up Uighurs in camps/whatever you want to call them
- Settle the border dispute with India
- Settle the SCS dispute with Vietnam/Philippines

People were willing to welcome China taking charge, until now... that's what you nationalists refuse to see. You keep saying that if China did the above things, the world will only demand more of China, when in reality it would have helped China's image greatly.

You couldn't be more wrong.
1. HK National Security Law has to be passed. Because the HK legistature is so sluggish, that they did NOT fulfill their duty of passing a law on their own to satisfy Article 23 of the Basic Law for the last 23 years, and it is clear that they are nowhere near passing such law in an any foreseeable future.
2. Those Uighurs needs to be kept in camps. They can't adapt to modern lifestyles, and they refuse to learn to adapt on their own. China has no interest of letting Xinjiang become just another Middle East. China also will NOT give Pan-Turkism a chance.
3. India will not like it if China really go ahead and does everything to settle border dispute, because India will lose a lot land.
4. Vietnam and Philippines, and a lot of other country (USA, Japan) will also not like it if China go ahead and resolves SCS disputes. Because they too will lose a lot of Ocean territories.
 

Weaasel

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None of that helps if China's foreign policy gets its products banned from world markets. I fully support China's industrial policy. But they think 1 km sq. meters of land in Galwan valley is more important than a market of 1.4 billion Indians. They think the need to arrest some worthless agitators in HK is more important than stable trade with the world's largest economy & most advanced nation and its allies. No company in its right mind would want to be tied to such a suicidal government, it doesn't matter how many subsidies it gets. And no, the Chinese market (which will only shrink and get smaller in the future, as China's population will plunge in coming decades) is not more important than the world market. 80% of the world is outside China.

It looks like you are toeing the Indian line hook line and sinker when it comes to Galwan.

You are very naive, FYI, the US Right want Chinese capitulation, and even the Democrats, along with the West are all into the China containment strategy policy. While China can and probably should resort to a more cautious conduct of foreign policy, even that will not result in any change in attitude towards China from them. Not even China 'democratizing' in form and ways that they preach will change that. The whole issue is that they are trying as much as possible to prevent or retard the time when China will emerge as the world's largest economy and they also doing the same with regards to areas of highly advanced technology.

With regards to the issue of Hong Kong, the West should stop its moralizing, and the United States in particularly, have little credibility over the issue. The Coronavirus Pandemic has fully exposed most of their countries as having less competent governments than China and their political systems are thus similarly questionable in terms of legitimacy. Not that China's is much better, but it certainly is not worse.

On the issue of trade with the most advanced nation that your commentary shows that you admire so much, I should remind you that back in 2018, the Trump Administration during Trade Talks in Beijing sought nothing but complete capitulation and control of China's Trade and Industrial Policy. That is what they presented, and if you think that they wouldn't force it if they actually had the power to do so, you are completely delusional. That was before the Hong Kong Protests and Riots in 2018.

You mention that China's government is suicidal, but if it agreed to abide by Trump's Trade demands that would actually be suicidal. You are significantly contradictory in the way that you espouse trade so much and you are so desirous of unreasonable compromise with the Americans in matters of Trade and Foreign Policy so much, yet you say that you fully support China's industrial policy which the Trump Administration thoroughly wants to kill. Peter Navarro would be so happy if there were people like you dominating China's trade and industry and foreign policy circles.

The Chinese market is huge and provides very great and profitable economies of scale. The population might shrink, but purchasing power per capita will not, it will actually likely increase significantly during the course of this decade.

For any government in existence, especially one with a large population and sufficient wealth, technological wherewithal, and organizational capability such as China that has the means of greatly dominating production for domestic demand, there is no market that is more important than domestic markets. Foreign markets are certainly useful and they can bring additional wealth, but make no mistake, nothing is more important than domestic markets. In fact, I believe that it would serve countries of this world much better to create so economic paradigm and system that greatly reduces export dependency for countries that are highly dependent on exports. One way to do this is to replace the fossil fuel economy entirely with highly efficient and/or abundant/limitless and non pollutive nuclear energy (preferably thorium) and renewables to greatly bring production costs and hence logistics costs of EVERYTHING down.
 

Weaasel

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You couldn't be more wrong.
1. HK National Security Law has to be passed. Because the HK legistature is so sluggish, that they did NOT fulfill their duty of passing a law on their own to satisfy Article 23 of the Basic Law for the last 23 years, and it is clear that they are nowhere near passing such law in an any foreseeable future.
2. Those Uighurs needs to be kept in camps. They can't adapt to modern lifestyles, and they refuse to learn to adapt on their own. China has no interest of letting Xinjiang become just another Middle East. China also will NOT give Pan-Turkism a chance.
3. India will not like it if China really go ahead and does everything to settle border dispute, because India will lose a lot land.
4. Vietnam and Philippines, and a lot of other country (USA, Japan) will also not like it if China go ahead and resolves SCS disputes. Because they too will lose a lot of Ocean territories.


2. Is highly bigoted and ethnicist
 

Weaasel

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You couldn't be more wrong.
1. HK National Security Law has to be passed. Because the HK legistature is so sluggish, that they did NOT fulfill their duty of passing a law on their own to satisfy Article 23 of the Basic Law for the last 23 years, and it is clear that they are nowhere near passing such law in an any foreseeable future.
2. Those Uighurs needs to be kept in camps. They can't adapt to modern lifestyles, and they refuse to learn to adapt on their own. China has no interest of letting Xinjiang become just another Middle East. China also will NOT give Pan-Turkism a chance.
3. India will not like it if China really go ahead and does everything to settle border dispute, because India will lose a lot land.
4. Vietnam and Philippines, and a lot of other country (USA, Japan) will also not like it if China go ahead and resolves SCS disputes. Because they too will lose a lot of Ocean territories.


Why doesn't China test 3 and 4 with magnanimity and see what happens? Give some territory away and see their actual reactions. Are they going to attack China with nukes? If they demand more no longer compromise on anything...
 

Weaasel

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Tidalwave learned to use a VPN?

He is not tidalwave. Tidalwave was very irate and gloomy about China and the Xi Government with regards to its industrial policy at not being implemented competently or comprehensively enough, especially with regards to latest high tech semiconductor technology, but Tidalwave definitely was not so liberal and defeatist on matters of foreign policy. He was realistic. This guy is just NAIVE...
 

manqiangrexue

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Why doesn't China test 3 and 4 with magnanimity and see what happens? Give some territory away and see their actual reactions. Are they going to attack China with nukes? If they demand more no longer compromise on anything...
Is this a joke or sarcastic?

Test giving territory away? LOL Daaaannngg, you are generous with stuff that's not yours! I got a better idea; they can pipe down, and every time they cause trouble, they lose some more territory to China. I like that much better.

He is not tidalwave. Tidalwave was very irate and gloomy about China and the Xi Government with regards to its industrial policy at not being implemented competently or comprehensively enough, especially with regards to latest high tech semiconductor technology, but Tidalwave definitely was not so liberal and defeatist on matters of foreign policy. He was realistic. This guy is just NAIVE...

But tidalwave also has like 15 different personalities and accounts and changes his views back and forth presumably because he thinks it'll throw people off, so I don't know or care. I just debate ideas. He also said that his "right hand doesn't talk to the left hand" when I told him he had multiple personality disorder so I take that as an admission that he knows he's crazy.
 

Wangxi

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Does the BRICS still make sense with the pro-American policy in Brazil and India (Bolsonaro and Modi) ?
 

Bob Smith

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He is not tidalwave. Tidalwave was very irate and gloomy about China and the Xi Government with regards to its industrial policy at not being implemented competently or comprehensively enough, especially with regards to latest high tech semiconductor technology, but Tidalwave definitely was not so liberal and defeatist on matters of foreign policy. He was realistic. This guy is just NAIVE...

I was only half joking but my reasoning is that his account was created around the same time tidalwave's last alt was banned and his wide-eyed view on foreign policy i.e. "just be nice to everyone and you will be left alone as the rising superpower."

Maybe my memory is just bad on how tidalwave posted.
 
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