Hong-Kong Protests

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Mcsweeney

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Gatekeeper said:
Goa! Please don't put this with Hong Kong. It's nowhere near as a comparison. That was an invasion, pure and simple. An act of aggression against a much smaller neighbour. Same with Sikkim.

But as we all know here, India gets a free pass from the west always. We are off topic. So I stop here.
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I"m disappointed that you think this way. I am strongly anti-colonialism and feel that the Goa "invasion" was 100% justified.

Take a hypothetical situation where China and the UK failed to negotiate a return of Hong Kong to China in 1997, and the UK just said "Nope, sorry, we're keeping it; nothing you can do about it" would you find it unjust if the PRC just said, "Okay fine, we'll take back what's ours by force" and invaded it?
 
ZeEa5KPul

ZeEa5KPul

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Rettam Stacf said:
Obviously, the US government does care about China fanning the flame in the US ...........

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I have no problem with the US government's concern, except the hypocrisy of doing it oneself but would not tolerate others for doing the same. This is what turned off most of the forumers in this thread.
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Here's a quote from the article
National security adviser Robert O’Brien on Sunday said foreign powers were trying to exploit the fraught state of U.S. race relations and protests over George Floyd’s death.
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Part of how American propaganda works is by using two distinct sets of vocabularies to describe the same event based on whether it happens in the US and its flunkies - oh, I'm sorry, I meant the "international community" - or in an enemy society. Here's what the snippet would read if it were written in the other vocabulary:
State security official Robert O’Brien on Sunday said foreign powers were trying to exploit U.S. ethnic tensions and civil unrest over George Floyd’s killing.
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hullopilllw

hullopilllw

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ZeEa5KPul said:
Here's a quote from the article

Part of how American propaganda works is by using two distinct sets of vocabularies to describe the same event based on whether it happens in the US and its flunkies - oh, I'm sorry, I meant the "international community" - or in an enemy society. Here's what the snippet would read if it were written in the other vocabulary:
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all the time...swapping American Interest with Interest of the rest of the world. Packaging american value as universal values.
 
Mr T

Mr T

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foxmulder_ms said:
In HK, some people are trying to separate a Chinese city from China. And these people are carrying past colonial powers' flags and asking their support. This is the definition of treason. On anywhere on Earth.
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No, it's not treason "anywhere on Earth". For example, it's legal in the UK to campaign for any part of the country to become independent. There was even a referendum on Scottish independence in 2014. Quebec has also had two independence referenda. None of those referenda would have been possible if it was illegal to campaign for independence.

Also, the Hong Kong protests did not start out about independence. It was the extradition law. But because the Hong Kong authorities and Beijing handled it so badly, some protesters have gone as far as to campaign for independence. But the independence movement is still a minority in Hong Kong.

As for the old HK flag, if some protesters are unhappy with the status quo it's not surprising if they look at the past with rose-tinted glasses.

Final reminder, China signed a treaty with the UK for the return of the whole of Hong Kong (only the New Territories were originally to return in 1997). Rather than divide the city, the UK negotiated a treaty in good faith to give up control but for it to enjoy 50 years of autonomy. It's perfectly reasonable that Hong Kongese would call on the UK to intervene if Beijing is breaking the treaty by undermine said autonomy.
 
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