Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

shanlung

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Well, it must be the optimist in me. It's a constant battle between the optimist and the realist in me! I guess I shouldn't be surprised!

I know. Alexander Pope did say "Hope beats eternal in the human breast"

Recall how rioters in Hong Kong and burning of people who disagree with them and burning of subway stations being portrayed as
legitimate means of peaceful protests ? With massive money funneled to them and Western News Media to pour oil onto fire?
 
That would be on a different stage of the development when the officials probably had already been told of the warning signs.
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In the transcript of the speech, published Saturday by the official Communist Party journal
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, Xi "issued requirements for the prevention and control of the new coronavirus" during a meeting of the Politburo Standing Committee, China's most powerful decision making body on January 7.
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#1388 OppositeDay, Saturday at 5:08 PM looks like this is it:
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He gave further instructions on January 20 and two days later, when he "explicitly requested Hubei province to implement comprehensive and strict control over the outflow of people" -- essentially placing the province on lockdown.

so my question is what was going on in China in between Jan 7 and Jan 20
 
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Gatekeeper

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I know this was two weeks ago. But I just got round to finding this video. At the time, the UK residence was returned and quarantine for two weeks. The coronavirus was a serious national concern which was why these people was brought back.

Anyway, the quarantine people was escorted by a guy in full Hazmat gear. Fair enough. But the poor driver's protection was his tie and his hi-viz! Lol.

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Gatekeeper

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Good for you for being the optimist. Just contrast the heroism and selflessness by the Chinese against the vile and maliciousness of the west towards Chinese and China. In the end of this ordeal, Be confident the Chinese people and nation shall overcome this misfortune and emerge as a more united, strong and proud nation. This is because Chinese are resourceful, resilient and hardworking.

Absolutely. Never underestimate their sacrifices.

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OppositeDay

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Your English did not fail. Who ever wrote that headline failed to write a complete sentence.

Whoever wrote that headline must have well-connected parents.
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I think that speech was linked in Chinese here by a member unknown to me, I'm going to find it EDIT
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#1388 OppositeDay, Saturday at 5:08 PM looks like this is it:
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so my question is what was going on in China in between Jan 7 and Jan 20

As shown in one of my previous links, during the time Beijing health authority stepped up their medical surveillance system, and hospitals was issued guidelines on diagnosing COVID-19 and three hospitals were designated for treating COVID-19. Similar for Guangzhou and Shanghai. I imagine similar measures were taken at all major Chinese cities.

The Chinese CDC was monitoring evidence for human to human transmission. According to a CDC associate director in an later interview, there was a software problem that prevented the direct reporting system from working with the newly discovered COVID-19, so they had to reply on traditional reporting methods that went through the entire bureaucratic hierarchy from hospital to district to city to province, so possibly they just didn't receive enough evidence in time.

Meanwhile the experts send by the National Health Commission made overly strict criteria for diagnosing COVID-019, which required a full sequencing of the virus. Since sequencing takes time I think this explains why the number of diagnosed case stopped growing for awhile as earlier diagnosing (before the virus was discovered) didn't require full sequencing. Western MSM attributed this pause in confirmed cases to an attempt by the Hubei government to cover up the outbreak during an important political meeting (seriously?).

At least by Jan 3 health authorities had already issued advice to the public (in Wuhan) to wear face masks and avoid gathering in enclosed spaces.
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This advice was possibly issued earlier, because by Jan 2 face masks were already sold out in Wuhan.
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Major mistakes from my perspective (not an expert): 1) Overly strict diagnose criteria, 2) waited too long for conclusive evidence and not acting sooner, 3) a failure of communication and engagement between Beijing-based experts/researchers/scientists with front line healthcare workers in Wuhan. 4) failed to protect front line healthcare workers. I think those problems caused active measures to be rolled out about a week late.

Mistakes notwithstanding, it was entirely reasonable for the Chinese government to stop at issuing public advice to wear masks and avoid large gathering (did they miss hand washing?) until there was more information about the virus, although the failure to protect front line HCWs during the waiting time was inexcusable. Honestly does anyone really expect a government to ban social gathering and stop public transport at the first sight of a potentially infectious disease? What are Singapore and Japan doing even now?
 
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