manqiangrexue
Brigadier
How difficult would it be to switch to Rolls Royce or Trent (while developing the in-house engine of course)? I don't think this partnership with the US should continue anyway.
COMAC C919
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antiterror13
Brigadier
The issues is more in the flight control system
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
I'm less familiar with that. What are the major manufacturers of that? What are the alternatives?
China makes its own flight control systems for its fighter jets and those machines undertake much more complicated maneuvers than an airliner is ever expected to make. Would it be fair to assume, then, that the flight control system for the C919 should be fairly do-able for China in a relatively short time?
Didn't they say there were issues with the overall design? So might as well just push back debut and redesign. US will want to sanction anyone supporting COMAC, Huawei, semiconductors. So everything has to be done domestically.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
This specifically says that the miscalculation requires redesign or reinforcements of the engine and its housing, not with the rest of the plane, so it actually would be a great time to start anew with the correct specifications sent to a new manufacturer. Yeah, the US wants to sanction everything but how's that going with Huawei? LOL China's market is so big companies redesign their stuff with "No US components" tag on it to get into the Chinese market. Of course ultimately everything needs to be indigenized but until then, other international partners will have to fill the gap. Plus, it's fun to watch the US be embarrassed and throw a tantrum every time an "ally" rejects its demand or circumvents its sanctions.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I don't think that is the problem To begin with those avionic must be built in China by the joint company Of course the patent is still US company But if they abrogate the agreement then what is good for the geese is good for the gander
China should have no reservation disregarding the patent
By now those joint company should be able to built it all domestically
Engine is a problem
Honestly to me this is not a big deal.
I don't really have much faith in SOE's, and for me COMAC is a typical example of a failed SOE that sucked money out of the state and never built anything.
The plane is already five years late, delayed for at least another year, and has tons of problems reportedly. Nobody would have bought it anyways.
There are innovative top-quality Chinese companies that need to be defended with whatever weapons possible, such as Huawei. Then there are SOE albatrosses that suck up state money and resources and never produce anything. COMAC is the latter.
Oh well, maybe this will help GE go bankrupt.
Here's an overall summary of the effect of this in my view:
Previously - China unable to enter the civilian aviation business.
Now - China unable to enter the civilian aviation business.
I don't really have much faith in SOE's, and for me COMAC is a typical example of a failed SOE that sucked money out of the state and never built anything.
The plane is already five years late, delayed for at least another year, and has tons of problems reportedly. Nobody would have bought it anyways.
There are innovative top-quality Chinese companies that need to be defended with whatever weapons possible, such as Huawei. Then there are SOE albatrosses that suck up state money and resources and never produce anything. COMAC is the latter.
Oh well, maybe this will help GE go bankrupt.
Here's an overall summary of the effect of this in my view:
Previously - China unable to enter the civilian aviation business.
Now - China unable to enter the civilian aviation business.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
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So disregard the patent on the sub components? Which is exactly a major complaint of doing business in China. When things don’t go your way undercut and cheat.
Because it actually doesn’t need to be made in China unless it goes into Comac.
The COMAC was already partnering with Russia for future aircraft. And to find a market for it the Russians and Chinese if they intended to sell to nations under US and European sanctions would have needed to source alternative engines and components. Same if the PLA intended to use any C919 for replacing their B737s. Heck it was already basically laid out in the made in China scheme.
The Europeans don't independently manufacture a 150kN-class engine for the narrowbody segment. The alternatives to LEAP are PW1000 (American) and PD-14 (unproven and Russian). If the US refuses LEAP export, China will have to use older CFM56s or the Russian PD-14 which hasn't gained market confidence. The domestic analogue of the LEAP, the CJ-1000A, is still at least a decade away.