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Anlsvrthng

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If the NationalInterest call the attack on the Iranian general as "reckless" then you know there is a problem.
Trump’s Reckless Iran Strike Could Be A Sarajevo Moment
Trump ran as the candidate in 2016 who would extricate America from the misbegotten wars of the Middle East. Now he is starting a new one, performing the equivalent of stepping on a landmine to cure a headache. The sinister Suleimani, who functioned as the enforcer of the mullahs ruling Tehran, will not be missed. Tehran’s despotic rule is a cancer in the Middle East. But why use a blowtorch to eradicate those malignant cells?

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President Trump Should Worry About Iran's Military
Killing General Soleimani pushes the United States toward the verge of major conflict with Iran. But in escalation toward war, and in any war itself, Tehran may already hold the upper hand.
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Just to put in context, the weapon export embargo against Iran will expire in October.

The USA desperately need a war against Iran, otherwise by the end of 2021 Iran will be fully equipped with donated Chinese/Russian weapons.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
It's to counter years and years of the US administration conditioning Iran's mullahs into believing that attacks on American interests will not be met with immediate & permanent reprisals. Trump sure changed that policy.
This does nothing but inspire more Iranians to oppose America. Imagine what Iranians feel that this terrorist country just came across the seas to kill Iranians with impunity. Imagine what they feel knowing a general of theirs who dedicated his life to serving in the military for his country was killed by the orders of a dilapidated orange golfer with a big mouth who ran away from military service for "bone spurs." The world is too unfair; it must be changed. I can't even imagine how much rage I'd have inside me if this were a Chinese general. Remember the last time Israel assassinated an Iranian nuclear scientist and the next week saw 10,000 student applications in Iran for nuclear physics? This is the type of people America is dealing with.

Iran's mullahs have to be there and conduct their operations there as it is their home; American interests should get out of the countries in which they are not welcome. Every day, America reminds its enemies and rivals the price for being weak, and shows them that no sacrifice is too much for strength. I hope all Chinese see the death of this Iranian man and know that this is China's fate if we do no fight for strength.
 

advill

Junior Member
I was watching Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor today talking about how Soleimani was responsible for American deaths in the Iraq War. You mean the illegal war started by the US based on lies of WMD in Iraq? It's just like how they think Chinese history started in 1949 when the communists rose to power. The communists rose to power because of what happened before 1949 where they were occupying China. Just ignore that part of history. Let's entertain the logic of justifying this act. If everyone was equal under the rule of law as the US likes to claim, wouldn't Iran be justifiable in their actions since the US started the war in Iraq and invaded someone else's country based on a lie? McConnell also linked Iran as responsible for the birth of ISIS. You mean the very same ISIS that was fighting Assad because he was allied with Shia Iran? And let's remember that Iraq is majority Shia fighting against the minority Sunni to which side the US supports. I saw some pundit on TV claim because Soleimani was in Iraq, that automatically means Iran must be behind all the unrest there. You mean like how US officials were seen talking to Hong Kong protest leaders in Hong Kong?

Don't believe the nonsense of the rule of law or the international world order. Their rules and laws are for everyone else. They don't have to follow them. The only justice comes from how much power you can accumulate for yourself and not following the rules they have created.

The problem is this US President Trump is an Autocratic Leader & acts on his own interests to show he is a Tough President deserving to be re-elected for the 2nd Term. He wants to counter and erase US Congress action to Impeach him. He has not consulted or informed US Congress about his decision to eliminate Soleimani. It is unfortunate for the US to have such a self-centred & unpredictable US leader. Out of personal interest, Trump could start a War or carry out hostile actions in several regions. America if it cherish respect as a world leader with a sensible President, the Voters in November will have to decide who their President would be......
 

solarz

Brigadier
This does nothing but inspire more Iranians to oppose America. Imagine what Iranians feel that this terrorist country just came across the seas to kill Iranians with impunity. Imagine what they feel knowing a general of theirs who dedicated his life to serving in the military for his country was killed by the orders of a dilapidated orange golfer with a big mouth who ran away from military service for "bone spurs." The world is too unfair; it must be changed. I can't even imagine how much rage I'd have inside me if this were a Chinese general. Remember the last time Israel assassinated an Iranian nuclear scientist and the next week saw 10,000 student applications in Iran for nuclear physics? This is the type of people America is dealing with.

Assassinations are like reverse HR. The hope when you assassinate a key figure is that someone less competent will replace him. However, it's just as likely that you end up with someone even more competent instead.

I think the immediate effect of this attack will be to give Iran all the justification it needs to all out pursue nuclear security. The US is going to have a much harder time in the UN trying to argue that Iran is a threat to world peace after this.
 

FactsPlease

Junior Member
Registered Member
I thought NO discussion on this forum. If it's allowed, my input is very simple: what happen if it's an American general get killed in Afghanistan or Iraq, by Iran (drone or else)?

What goes around, comes around. Don't tell me USA is the only one on moral high ground to kill others... ...
 

tidalwave

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The Supreme National Security Council of the Islamic Republic of Iran would like to express its condolences on the terrorist assassination of the brave commander of Islam and gallant chief of the Qods Force of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps, Martyr Lieutenant General Qasem Soleimani, holder of the Order of Zolfaqar as the highest military honor of the Army, as well as other counter-terrorism commanders particularly the indefatigable faithful fighter Martyr Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, to Imam Mahdi (May God Hasten His Reappearance), the Leader of the Islamic Revolution, fighters of the Islamic Resistance, comrades and revered families of the martyrs as well as all the people of Iran.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
This does nothing but inspire more Iranians to oppose America. Imagine what Iranians feel that this terrorist country just came across the seas to kill Iranians with impunity. Imagine what they feel knowing a general of theirs who dedicated his life to serving in the military for his country was killed by the orders of a dilapidated orange golfer with a big mouth who ran away from military service for "bone spurs." The world is too unfair; it must be changed. I can't even imagine how much rage I'd have inside me if this were a Chinese general. Remember the last time Israel assassinated an Iranian nuclear scientist and the next week saw 10,000 student applications in Iran for nuclear physics? This is the type of people America is dealing with.

Iran's mullahs have to be there and conduct their operations there as it is their home; American interests should get out of the countries in which they are not welcome. Every day, America reminds its enemies and rivals the price for being weak, and shows them that no sacrifice is too much for strength. I hope all Chinese see the death of this Iranian man and know that this is China's fate if we do no fight for strength.

Half of what you wrote, albeit romantic and all, doesn't even apply in this situation. Iran was operating in Iraq, outside of its own territory, and had been for many years indirectly or directly behind countless Shiite terror attacks against US and its allied troops across the ME. This is a guy who orchestrated the deaths of countless civilians and military personnel alike, and was allowed to operate with impunity for decades.

Imagine that Chinese troops were sent abroad to protect B&R infrastructure projects, only to have 608 of them maimed or killed through attacks sponsored by a third-party terror group. Now imagine that this terror group was led by a singular "commander" who is arrogant and comfortable enough to carry out his evil deed without so much as shrugging at the possibility of a PLA reprisal. How much "rage" would you have then? The Chinese brass would have no problem sending in a CH-4 to blow the terrorist's brains out.
In fact, they almost did in real life when a drug dealer kidnapped a few Chinese sailors along the Mekong River.

This is nothing like the "underdog vs superpower" showdown that you wish it to be. This was a leader of a globally-designated terror organisation that was in the process of planning for further attacks against American military targets and who defied any iota of morality or humanity during his reign as a military general.

This terrorist dirtbag thought he could snip away at American military might and get away with it and made a wrong bet.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Assassinations are like reverse HR. The hope when you assassinate a key figure is that someone less competent will replace him. However, it's just as likely that you end up with someone even more competent instead.

I think the immediate effect of this attack will be to give Iran all the justification it needs to all out pursue nuclear security. The US is going to have a much harder time in the UN trying to argue that Iran is a threat to world peace after this.

There will be no terrorist nuclear threat because the United States will never allow there to be one. You can bet that as soon as US sniffer aircraft or satellites begin detecting the beginnings of a nuclear weapons program, Iran's nuclear facilities would be flattened without so much as a Trumpian Twitter warning.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Half of what you wrote, albeit romantic and all, doesn't even apply in this situation. Iran was operating in Iraq, outside of its own territory, and had been for many years indirectly or directly behind countless Shiite terror attacks against US and its allied troops across the ME. This is a guy who orchestrated the deaths of countless civilians and military personnel alike, and was allowed to operate with impunity for decades.

Imagine that Chinese troops were sent abroad to protect B&R infrastructure projects, only to have 608 of them maimed or killed through attacks sponsored by a third-party terror group. Now imagine that this terror group was led by a singular "commander" who is arrogant and comfortable enough to carry out his evil deed without so much as shrugging at the possibility of a PLA reprisal. How much "rage" would you have then? The Chinese brass would have no problem sending in a CH-4 to blow the terrorist's brains out.
In fact, they almost did in real life when a drug dealer kidnapped a few Chinese sailors along the Mekong River.

This is nothing like the "underdog vs superpower" showdown that you wish it to be. This was a leader of a globally-designated terror organisation that was in the process of planning for further attacks against American military targets and who defied any iota of morality or humanity during his reign as a military general.

This terrorist dirtbag thought he could snip away at American military might and get away with it and made a wrong bet.
First of all, you cannot compare China to America because China is invited into every country we are in while Americans pick on and invade those too weak to defend themselves. The former, of course, deserves a guarantee of safety while the latter deserves nothing except the point of a spear.

The General cared not whether he can "get away with it" but knew that his mission in life is to defend his country against the global terrorist threat encroaching on the middle east. You don't understand Iranians; "get away with it" is an American concept from US soldiers who want to kill other people then count on going home to live a comfortable life. Iranians do things because they need to be done; if they "get away with it," then they live to serve their country again; if not, then they meet God. You'd think this would be clear after seeing 10,000 Iranian students enroll in nuclear physics after their scientist was assassinated. They don't want to "get away with it" like American criminals do; they want to make a difference for defending their country no matter the cost or sacrifice. This is a concept so foreign to Americans that they can't even see it when laid out before their eyes and they keep ratting off about "(not) getting away with it." LOL

The American global terrorist kills people in their countries and calls them "terrorists." It barges into countries uninvited, stays, and attacks the allies and legitimate guests of the host nation. It tries to rob and steal ships on the high seas and disrupt economic development of countries that hold different world views. This is the biggest terrorist in the world; everything else is a detail. I have absolutely no sympathy for any American soldier killed unless on American soil. America's global terrorism is more than enough justification for every action against it in the past, present, and future. The world can only be right when the US leaves all foreign territories including the middle east, stays home, and shuts up, and anything done to push them back can only be considered defense and counter terrorism. And even then, there would still remain the matter of settling America's debts for all the evils it committed while it was in power.
There will be no terrorist nuclear threat because the United States will never allow there to be one. You can bet that as soon as US sniffer aircraft or satellites begin detecting the beginnings of a nuclear weapons program, Iran's nuclear facilities would be flattened without so much as a Trumpian Twitter warning.
Hahaha, the US once said China could never be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Then, North Korea. It once even said that the Philippines would never be allowed independence from the US. If I was a betting man, I'd pay attention to that trend. Iranian technology only moves forwards, not backwards. America's dreams of keeping tech out of people's hands, whether it be nuclear weapons from Iran or semiconductor tech/supercomputer chips from China, can only fail in the end.

And there already is a nuclear terrorist threat on this world; it was the only country to use a nuclear weapon against civilians and has nothing to do with Iran.
 
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Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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Assassinations are like reverse HR. The hope when you assassinate a key figure is that someone less competent will replace him. However, it's just as likely that you end up with someone even more competent instead.

I think the immediate effect of this attack will be to give Iran all the justification it needs to all out pursue nuclear security. The US is going to have a much harder time in the UN trying to argue that Iran is a threat to world peace after this.


I love your description, let's call it for what it is. It is an assassination! US is not at war with Iran. It made excuses of this general was planning to kill Americans? Eh. But isn't his troops in a war zone, and isn't American troops also in a war zone half way around the world may I add?!

If that's justification to assassinate someone, then it is fair game for your opponent to do the same! (And in fact that was the excuse they used for 9 11)!

So where is the law and order brigade that normally shout so loud when it come to international law and order?!
 
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