Hong-Kong Protests

seeing here pro-China manifestations in HK, I've now found (
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"... a day of pro-Beijing, pro-police rallies in Hong Kong which organisers said drew 316,000 people on Saturday. Police estimated 103,000 attended at the peak of the event."
[happened July 20]

and recently noticed an assessment inside
Saturday at 7:34 AM
I think even the most rabid anti-China terrorist knows HK depends on the mainland for a lot of things. They are simply deluded enough to think that their Western masters will come to their rescue.

As for the rallies, the anti-extradition rallies at their peak were only a few hundred thousand, and the Pro-China rallies matched them in numbers. There were never any million-strong rallies, those were bald faced lies.
 

Nutrient

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So basically that's what you are

No, you are the loser in the sense that what the central government has been doing is far closer to my largely peaceful preferences than your violent fantasies.

Look, I am probably more pro-Beijing than you are. And I'm certainly not accusing the central government of letting Hong Kong citizens down by not invading the island and spilling blood.
 
Nutr. I'm still interested Monday at 7:24 AM
would you describe some of your "100,000 protests each year in the mainland"
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The central government appears to disagree with you; that is why it allows (and almost seems to encourage) the 100,000 protests each year in the mainland. Sometimes the government leads, and sometimes the people need to say what they want first. This is especially true for Hong Kong, which has fewer connections to Beijing than the country's other areas have.

It's not like I'm asking for much: a peaceful march but in large numbers, large enough for the people involved to protect each other from the violent thugs -- and large enough to show Beijing their strength.

If the patriotic Hong Kongers are too cowardly to do that (even in large numbers, where they should be safe), then why should Beijing take risks for them?
 

Nutrient

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Sorry, what and where in the world do you think this is right way to treat another human being, let alone your fellow brethren?

Did you notice that my water deprivation proposal was for much later, IF Hong Kong separated from the mainland. In that unlikely case, Beijing would no longer be responsible for the people on the island.

At least my proposal would not kill anyone -- only prevent them from taking showers. Making people stink is certainly better than invading the island and killing them. Your horrified response is unjustified.
 
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seeing here pro-China manifestations in HK, I've now found (
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"... a day of pro-Beijing, pro-police rallies in Hong Kong which organisers said drew 316,000 people on Saturday. Police estimated 103,000 attended at the peak of the event."
[happened July 20]

and recently noticed an assessment inside
Saturday at 7:34 AM
is I now found a bigger claim (I googled
safeguard+hong+kong+alliance):
Organisers say 476,000 joined pro-govt rally
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KYli

Brigadier
If I play the role of the devil's advocate, north point has long been considered pro mainland. If you are Asknot from HK ask anyone from Hong Kong and you will know.

I am from HK so I know. I don't disagree that the rioters have popular support but at the same time I would argue that there are many patriots. There are a few pro-government rally that draw at least 100,000-200,000 people compare with the rioters 400,000-500,000. It might be outnumbered but 100,000-200,000 people are still significant.

The pro-Dems camp usually got 55% of the votes and the pro-Beijing camp usually got 45% of the votes. So yes there are many HKers that support the oppositions. But don't dismiss the 45% people who voted for the pro-Beijing.
 

supersnoop

Major
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If I play the role of the devil's advocate, north point has long been considered pro mainland. If you are Asknot from HK ask anyone from Hong Kong and you will know.

What is your point? North Point is considered pro-mainland? You "asked where are the patriots in HK?", did you not just answer your own question? That's not really playing devil's advocate.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
What? An old video with <600 views and 3 likes showing less than 1000 people in a mall is the proof that majority of Hong Kong is pro China? If you want anyone to believe something you have to show proof. That video is certainly not a proof of what gatekeeper or you claimed.
Please get out of the echo chamber.
What is the point in calling out the number of likes and views of a video? LOL Does is make it less the truth?

I never said there is proof that the majority of Hong Kong is pro-Beijing because I don't know that. You asked "Where are the patriots?" I gave you your answer. Asking for anything else is moving the goal post. Your post seemed to be implying that the patriots are all gone and there is nothing left to be considerate of in Hong Kong. That is your burden of proof, against the evidence that I have shown you and what is already on this thread.

If you hear an echo, that's the one brain cell left alive in your skull calling for reinforcements.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
No, you are the loser in the sense that what the central government has been doing is far closer to my largely peaceful preferences than your violent fantasies.
Ohhhhh I'm the loser with all the likes on my comments and you're the winner fantasizing about water deprivation, a plan which no one else supports, in an imaginary secession, right? LOL OK, I'm just saying, by your old logic that the person going off on a tangent is the loser, that's clearly you with the incinerator. Gonna move the goal post on that too?

Once again, screw your water deprivation BS. You cannot cause that amount of collateral damage to patriotic citizens just because they don't self-organize into equally active pro-Beijing riots. If Hong Kong seceeds, as I said, tanks and military, minimize damage to patriots; absolutely no blanket treatment of the city, punishing those who don't deserve it.

My resolve might be violent, but it targets exactly those who deserve it and not just everyone in Hong Kong.
Look, I am probably more pro-Beijing than you are. And I'm certainly not accusing the central government of letting Hong Kong citizens down by not invading the island and spilling blood.

I'm looking but I'm not seeing. You might be pro-Beijing; I never said you're not, but your plan sucks and revolves around a non-existent situation based on principles that fail to define the role of the citizen and the role of the government. You are a perfect example of why the model citizen shuts up and supports his government instead of trying to enact his own ideals. Your heart's in the right place but your head is nowhere to be seen.

But let me be clear about this: the CCP has let these patriots down by not protecting them, and not securing their city. That is a fact; they have been let down because they are oppressed and alone, endangered in their country for loving their country. BUT I would never accuse the CCP of incompetence or making a wrong choice. In regards to that, they have my total confidence and undying support. I like to think that the plan in Zhongnanhai, which I don't know, is highly strategic and requires some sacrifice and endurance from these patriots before they are rewarded. For the national good, Beijing cannot be as violent as I want them to be. And as I've always contended, "Your country can betray you but you can never betray your country." Maybe these people were thrown under the bus for the better good of China; it's cold-blooded decision that I can mourn but never protest, but the fact is, as of now, the patriots of Hong Kong have been let down by the CCP.

And your whole point seemed to be centered around the mistaken principle of "If patriots don't riot or mass protest, then they don't deserve consideration." Now, it's been shown that not only is that based on an inability to understand the role of citizen and government but also your failure to keep up with the events showing that those protests did indeed happen. And now, there's more:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/hong-kong-protests.t8580/page-235#post-575460

So seriously, with every point of your argument broken or completely irrelevant from the start, why don't you just STFU?
 
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