Hong-Kong Protests

Thinking singing a song is going to do anything... That's romantic movie nonsense. No one else is singing the song. I don't hear it being sung in the US because the vast majority of Americans could care less. I talked to a liberal who knew superficially about what was happening in Hong Kong and he was repeating the same propaganda nonsense. He repeated the police brutality nonsense and I just said US police kill unarmed black men and somehow you're outrage at what's happening in Hong Kong where no one has died? He didn't say anything about Hong Kong after that. It's all about context. People who want to control the narrative, don't like context.

If they want their song heard and sung around the world, they need a pretty person singing it. Here's the catch. They see Asians as an ugly race in general. The protestors pour gasoline on someone people because he spoke Mandarin... Sorry to inform them but it's Cantonese that I hear Americans mistakenly generalize as the Chinese language because it's hard on their ears. I have to laugh at these Hong Kongers who think they can romanticize themselves for American audiences. The irony is all the negative stereotypes of the Chinese are based on them. I brought this up before about the stereotype of the rude Chinese tourist that Hong Kongers like to perpetuate as a characteristic of the Mainland... That came from them and Taiwan since Mainland Chinese tourism is a recent event. I've been hearing those stereotypes decades before. I always hear the anti-Chinese Chinese even in this forum tell Chinese they should be reflective of their behavior in public. Well they apparently have not since these are stereotypes of them. What more says absolute selfishness motivating them when they're schooling other Chinese over public behavior when they're the original sinner. They certainly aren't about changing this behavior if they're not reflective upon themselves. Being a subordinate of their colonial master certainly hasn't made them more civilized since look at all those stereotypes being perpetuated by these protestors themselves. They scream at innocent passersby looking truly ugly and nasty. All those superego Hong Kong protest leaders can't unite because they all have different self-serving agendas that they don't want to share credit with the other like too many chefs in a kitchen... Chinese fire drill. Their journalism is completely biased and full of lies as the West accuses any Chinese newspaper but since this is working for their propaganda so that makes it okay. And in the end are they going to bother with making a distinction? No, that's their power to make Hong Kongers be obedient holding that over them having to continually work at proving it otherwise.

The National Review recently had an article explaining the US wasn't as guilty as history says over slavery. How? Because Africans sold their own people into slavery. That's not the first time I've heard that. Every member of the Alt-Right says it all the time. There goes any notion that they believe in individual human rights. So if someone sells their own kind into slavery, that makes it okay to have them as a slave and the person who bought the slave hasn't committed a crime. I love how they think they're clever spinning their way out of a crime by blaming someone else. Out of the pot into the fryer because if one believes in individual rights like they use as a shield and attacking others in the name of human rights, they would not dare think that it was okay to violate human rights just because someone else sold them into slavery. So what are they complaining about when it comes to Hong Kong when it's Chinese against Chinese where they think that makes it okay to happen like Africans selling Africans into slavery makes it okay? That destroys their argument excusing themselves of enslaving people because all of the sudden your own people committing crimes on their own people is a crime now? And on top of that, they would love for these Hong Kong protestors to be in control of China hence why they've always believed it was Hong Kong that was going to change China. Hong Kongers worship them as gods and it would be perfectly okay if these Hong Kongers forced all Chinese to worship them as gods as well. What about selling Chinese into slavery? It's okay with them.
A-Mace as I can see, you're at unrelated slavery again
 
now I skimmed over the article linked below; it sounded like lawyers-to-layers type of stuff
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Hong Kong protesters launch series of legal challenges and ask city’s judges to remove riot label from early clashes with police

  • Civil Human Rights Front leader Jimmy Sham and protester Yeung Kwok-ming want use of tear gas on June 12 declared unconstitutional
  • Teacher Yeung Tsz-chun also files judicial challenge over elite officers’ failure to display identification numbers
 
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WTA Hong Kong Open is postponed following months of unrest
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/9/13 12:30:36
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The WTA Hong Kong Open tennis tournament has been postponed, organizers said on Friday, citing the "present situation" after months of violent protests and unrest .

"In light of the present situation, the Hong Kong Tennis Association and the WTA are announcing a postponement of the 2019 Hong Kong Tennis Open," a statement posted on the Facebook page of the Hong Kong Tennis Open reads.

"We are in active discussion with the WTA on identifying an alternate week for the hosting of the event."

The event, which was originally scheduled from October 5 to 13, was set to be played at Victoria Park in Hong Kong, one of the major gathering places of the protesters.

In a separate WTA statement, the world women's tennis governing body said "the smooth running and operation of the scheduled event cannot be assured. Therefore, the decision has been made to postpone the event."

The Hong Kong Open has previously hosted a number of world-known tennis stars, including Angelique Kerber of Germany and former world No.1 Caroline Wozniacki, who won the 2016 event in Hong Kong.

A number of sports events in Hong Kong in recent months have witnessed the protesters bringing political slogans into stadiums.

The FIFA World Cup qualifier football match between Hong Kong and Iran at Hong Kong stadium earlier this week saw some secessionist protesters boo China's national anthem at the game.

FIFA had previously warned and fined the Hong Kong football governing body for the soccer fans' "misbehaviors".
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Why would they leave Vancouver for Australia because of Hong Kong?


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As unrest deepens, Hong Kongers eye exits from Vancouver to Melbourne

By Clare Jim, Sonali Paul and Evan Duggan
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September 12, 2019

HONG KONG/MELBOURNE/VANCOUVER (Reuters) - As protests in Hong Kong stretch from summer into autumn with little sign of resolution, a surge in migration applications suggests more locals are making plans to leave the special administrative region.

Their sentiments, reflected in passport paperwork and in interviews with residents, migration agents and real estate brokers across the globe, show the potential for human and capital flight out of Hong Kong.

Since an abortive push to allow extradition to mainland China sparked unrest in the former British colony three months ago, emigration seminars have been overflowing, organizers and attendees say.

Requests for police-record printouts, which cost HK$225 ($29) and are only issued for visa applications or child adoptions, jumped 54% to 3,649 in August compared with last year. There have been more requests in 2019 so far than at the same point in any of the previous five years.

In 2017, the most recent year for which figures are available, there were 75 adoptions in Hong Kong, a number comparable to previous years. The Hong Kong government estimates that last year about 7,600 people left the city for good, roughly one-third the number who sought police-record printouts.

Authorities in Malaysia, Australia and Taiwan have reported spikes in migration enquiries, and property agents from Melbourne to Vancouver say their phones are running hot.

"There are many uncertainties in Hong Kong," one investor on a property agent's late-August tour of suburban Melbourne said before, laying out A$600,000 ($410,000) for a house-and-land package.

"People like me in their 40s and 50s - we think about our child," said the investor, who gave only her family name, Lee, because her employer forbids speaking to the media.

"We want a back-up home, a better place to live," she added. "At least if something bad happens, they have a back-up plan, an exit plan."

And she is not alone: Lee's sentiments were echoed in interviews with 10 other families or individuals considering emigrating.

China has denounced the protests, accusing the United States and Britain of fomenting unrest, and the Hong Kong government has sought to head off further trouble by accepting one of the protesters' demands and withdrawing the extradition bill.

A mass march scheduled for Sunday will test how far that has allayed public anger.



PASSPORT PLEASE

As Hong Kong's protests have expanded during the summer, swelling to million-strong marches and calls for democracy, so too have Hong Kongers' searches for safe havens.

In June, lawyers and bankers told Reuters that wealthy tycoons were shifting their fortunes to places like Singapore.

Now, migration agents say, middle-class families are checking out cheaper alternatives.

"The numbers are the highest in recent years, even higher than 2014," said Peggy Lau, a sales director at Uni Immigration Consultancy in Hong Kong, where enquiries have surged sevenfold since protests began in June.

To be sure, there is no official data tracking emigration applications from Hong Kong, which has a population of about 7 million. Nor is there evidence of departures or cash outflows on the scale of those in the aftermath of the 1997 handover from Britain to China.

But there are firm signs of preparations.

Favored destinations such as Malaysia, which is relatively cheap, and Taiwan, which is culturally similar to Hong Kong, show sharp rises in interest.

At Johor, near Malaysia's southern tip, property consultant Bruce Lee said Hong Kongers have poured into a project called Forest City, developed by China's Country Garden Holdings Co Ltd <2007.HK>, buying 800 units since June.

That compares with 200 units purchased between then and 2016, when sales began.

The number of visas issued to Hong Kongers in Taiwan in June and July was 38% higher, at 884, than in the same period a year ago, according to the island's Ministry of the Interior National Immigration Agency.

Enquiries by Hong Kongers at Immigration@SG LLP, an immigration consultancy in Singapore, rose by roughly a quarter in the past two months compared with earlier in the year, said a company spokesman, Muhammad Ryhan.

State authorities in Australia have noted a "significant" increase in visa enquiries from Hong Kong, but declined to give details. Immigration agents have said there is also growing interest in Canada, the U.S. and Ireland.

In New Zealand, the number of monthly applicants for residency visas from Hong Kong passport holders hit 34 in June and 44 in July, modestly higher than the average of 29.



'A SAFE HAVEN'

There are signs that property investors are laying the groundwork for a move as well.

Hong Kong's famously frothy real estate market, worth $1.3 trillion, is shrinking, with prices edging lower for a second consecutive month in July and transaction volumes forecast to hit a six-month low.

Peter Wong, a property agent in Sydney, has taken a half-dozen calls from Hong Kong buyers in the last month, the first he can remember in decades. Some agents have also reported sudden interest in Taiwan and Vancouver.

There are no signs yet of an effect on prices in destination markets, but demand is strong enough that agents and developers say they have begun actively courting Hong Kongers.

"We see there is an opportunity," said Ken Dodds, sales director at Melbourne homebuilder Resimax, which hosted 43 Hong Kong investors last month, after previously focusing on buyers from Malaysia and Singapore.

"People are keen to look for a safe haven," he said, adding that the investors bought or reserved a dozen properties, which he described as a "great" result.

It is a trend some in the market expect to continue.

"This episode has planted a seed in many Hong Kongers with Canadian ties to begin the process of moving money, assets, and family out of Hong Kong and back to Canada," Dan Scarrow, president of Vancouver-based Macdonald Realty told Reuters.

"This process will play out over the coming years, not over the coming weeks," he said.

Good riddance!
 

Nutrient

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How about internships? Let some of the young Hong Kongers work on the mainland for a year. (I'm new to this thread and have not read it all; apologies if the idea has been discussed already.)

One of Hong Kong's fundamental problems is the brainwashing of its young people. They live in a very tightly sealed media environment that is overwhelmingly dominated by Western mind mashers. So the solution is to open the environment: let the youngsters experience mainland life for a year or so.

If the pay is good, they will go. If the pay is good enough, that will also help their economic problems.

When they return to Hong Kong, the youngsters will be more reluctant to call mainlanders "locusts".

If the intership program is large enough, its effects would be quite fast.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
How about internships? Let some of the young Hong Kongers work on the mainland for a year. (I'm new to this thread and have not read it all; apologies if the idea has been discussed already.)

One of Hong Kong's fundamental problems is the brainwashing of its young people. They live in a very tightly sealed media environment that is overwhelmingly dominated by Western mind mashers. So the solution is to open the environment: let the youngsters experience mainland life for a year or so.

If the pay is good, they will go. If the pay is good enough, that will also help their economic problems.

When they return to Hong Kong, the youngsters will be more reluctant to call mainlanders "locusts".

If the intership program is large enough, its effects would be quite fast.
It will be hard, most Hong kongers lack the linguistic ability, ie mandarin and simplified chinese, to work in the mainland. There is also plenty of talent that is equal or better that companies can pay less for in the mainland, so why bother.
 
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