Hong-Kong Protests

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LOL what a moron!

This is another piece of mis-leading journalism. The head line scream at you that a "British consulate general staffer" leading the reader to believe he is a British citizen. Which is why Britain is involved

Whereas in reality, he is a Chinese national and he happens tovwork in the British consulate general! Lol
 

Gatekeeper

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While I agree with the rest of your post, just a word of correction here: Beijing did not ask for or initiate the extradition bill, and did not order Carrie Lam to withdraw it. Those were purely the actions of the duly elected HK government.

Absolutely correct! And the fact that our most repected member here got caught out with this. Just proved how powerful media is at mis-leading the public to think differently!

Another example is how the media managed to convience joe public that Hong Kong protest is a popular protest supported by the majority of Hong Kongers, and what's more, it is peaceful, and all violence comes from the Police and the blame lies with the government of Hong Kong!
 

Gatekeeper

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Maybe your girlfriend is not aware that she is a minority among HongKongers? And it is only counter productive if Beijing rush in to save Hong Kong when majority in Hong Kong is still delusional (not wanting to be saved).

I had to correct you here. Please read some of the past post here. We discussed at great length on the strength of the demonstrators.

As such, She is not in the minority. She is infact, the silent (I hate using this word, make me sound like a rabid right-winger) majority! It is the demonstrators that are the minority. It's the MSM that give the impression that the demostrators are the majority.
 

manqiangrexue

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Maybe your girlfriend is not aware that she is a minority among HongKongers? And it is only counter productive if Beijing rush in to save Hong Kong when majority in Hong Kong is still delusional (not wanting to be saved).
Maybe but she is a fairly typical Hong Kong girl actually. I met her when she was a law student and she told me that her life goal was to jack as much money as possible from her clients so she can enjoy her life and vacation all the time. On our second date, she voiced harsh criticism at China and the Chinese government (for reasons that sometimes she cannot even articulate properly) which led me to almost leave her at the restaurant and let her Uber it home. But something inside me though made me stay debate her and I did. I spent much time on her over many debates often with computer open Google on overdrive as we laid out facts to each other. She showed me that Hong Kongers have an identity crisis; she said they hated the British when they were there and tried to use Cantonese as much as possible to keep them out of the interactions but also opposed Chinese total rule because they felt superior to Mainlanders in how much more cultured they thought themselves to be. They don't know who they are or where they belong and are quite frankly angry and torn inside. That's the kind of image she gave me of herself and she said she fit right in with everyone. I spent a long time patching her up and making her proud of her Chinese heritage; now she is proud of her Miao and Mulao Chinese roots, supports the CCP in China's rise, and says that her new professional goal in life is to provide legal representation for Chinese companies so they are more competitive globally. She's definitely one of the more meaningful relationships in my life.

But yes, the cards are in Bejing's hands and I agree that they must consider the prudence of military action against other methods. After all, we can see from America's brutality, that force sometimes only creates more counter-force, and more problems. And force against ones own citizens is definitely a last resort, though not one that is off the table.
 

taxiya

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I had to correct you here. Please read some of the past post here. We discussed at great length on the strength of the demonstrators.

As such, She is not in the minority. She is infact, the silent (I hate using this word, make me sound like a rabid right-winger) majority! It is the demonstrators that are the minority. It's the MSM that give the impression that the demostrators are the majority.
I am not from Hong Kong, so have no way to tell what the silent majority have in mind. When I said "minority", I meant the portion of people who positively want forceful intervention from Beijing. I doubt if the silent majority share that specific wish. The silent majority could consists "peaceful against Beijing, no opinion, passively support Beijing", a spectrum encompassing from left to right. Only the last part may want a forceful intervention, the other two may very likely swing to the violent camp.
 

SpicySichuan

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Maybe but she is a fairly typical Hong Kong girl actually. I met her when she was a law student and she told me that her life goal was to jack as much money as possible from her clients so she can enjoy her life and vacation all the time. On our second date, she voiced harsh criticism at China and the Chinese government (for reasons that sometimes she cannot even articulate properly) which led me to almost leave her at the restaurant and let her Uber it home. But something inside me though made me stay debate her and I did. I spent much time on her over many debates often with computer open Google on overdrive as we laid out facts to each other. She showed me that Hong Kongers have an identity crisis; she said they hated the British when they were there and tried to use Cantonese as much as possible to keep them out of the interactions but also opposed Chinese total rule because they felt superior to Mainlanders in how much more cultured they thought themselves to be. They don't know who they are or where they belong and are quite frankly angry and torn inside. That's the kind of image she gave me of herself and she said she fit right in with everyone. I spent a long time patching her up and making her proud of her Chinese heritage; now she is proud of her Miao and Mulao Chinese roots, supports the CCP in China's rise, and says that her new professional goal in life is to provide legal representation for Chinese companies so they are more competitive globally. She's definitely one of the more meaningful relationships in my life.

But yes, the cards are in Bejing's hands and I agree that they must consider the prudence of military action against other methods. After all, we can see from America's brutality, that force sometimes only creates more counter-force, and more problems. And force against ones own citizens is definitely a last resort, though not one that is off the table.
Wow! You nailed it! That's a successful example of public diplomacy and soft power right there. You are a model PRC citizen, but let's hope other PRC citizens, especially CCP members in positions of power, could be as patriotic and motivated as you are.
 

Hendrik_2000

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China versus the entire liberal world (including Japan and India). Do you really think China has a chance of winning?

As I recall China did that in Korea and come to a draw
then come the economic embargo from 1949 to 1978 Well China is still alive and thriving
In both cases China was poor and isolated after devastated world War II and civil war
any more example needed?
You need to brush up on history man you are ignorant!
China does not need western world China just need to trust their own people and forge a common ground with Asia and overseas Chinese
 
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SpicySichuan

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They thought they could get their way like a kid throwing a tantrum, but when it becomes apparent that the parents will just leave him at the supermarket rather than buy him the 36 case of Snickers, he'll get tired of crying an learn to behave.
I'm afraid it is not that simple. These aren't just spoil kids. These are kids with their own sets of ideologies and seem willing to die for them. If we want to prevent bloodshed, I think giving HK genuine elections (no CCP vetting) is the only solution in the short-term. When the contract expires in 2047, why not re-negotiate then (assuming Mainland would have far greater leverages internationally by then)? However, if the PLA or PAP were to crack down on the protestors right now, it would be Beijing's violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, which is a binding international treaty. Now people could blame HK protesters being violent and racist, but if PLA/PAP moves in, it would ALL be Beijing's fault.
 

SpicySichuan

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As I recall China did that in Korea and come to a draw
then come the economic embargo from 1949 to 1978 Well China is still alive and thriving
In both cases China was poor and isolated after devastated world War II and civil war
any more example needed?
That's only because the U.S. and NATO chose not to annihilate China with nukes, but sought cooperation against a more belligerent USSR. Keep in mind that DF-5 did not become operational until mid. 1980's.
 
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