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What would be unfortunate is if the military scattered them, allowing them to continue to be a more silent cancer on Chinese society for the rest of their lives and then raising their children to continue the blight.

Meh...too small in numbers to make any kind of significant dent to a much larger Chinese population. Their only hope is to move to Taiwan island and raise their anger over there instead. Even that is not guarantee as there a significant number in Taiwan island wants unification with the mainland as well.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Meh...too small in numbers to make any kind of significant dent to a much larger Chinese population. Their only hope is to move to Taiwan island and raise their anger over there instead. Even that is not guarantee as there a significant number in Taiwan island wants unification with the mainland as well.
Well that's the whole point of terrorism; just a small number of people can have a terrible effect.

Meanwhile, on the Chinese news, a HK independence advocate went to the ROC with a banner calling for founding an independent country from China. A Taiwanese citizen reportedly slapped him down to the ground where he began to roll around and cry.
 

supercat

Major
The airport protest is over for now.

Hong Kong airport resumes flights after clashes, mass protests

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August 13, 2019
By Tom Westbrook

HONG KONG, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Hong Kong's airport resumed operations on Wednesday, rescheduling hundreds of flights that had been disrupted over the past two days as protesters clashed with riot police in a deepening crisis in the Chinese-controlled city.

Ten weeks of increasingly violent clashes between police and pro-democracy protesters, angered by a perceived erosion of freedoms, have plunged the Asian financial hub into its worst crisis since it reverted from British to Chinese rule in 1997.

About 30 protesters remained at the airport early on Wednesday while workers scrubbed it clean of blood and debris from overnight. Check-in counters reopened to queues of weary travellers who had waited overnight for their flights.

Police condemned violent acts by protesters overnight and said on Wednesday a large group had "harassed and assaulted a visitor and a journalist". Five people were detained, bringing the total number of people arrested since the protests began in June to more than 600, police said.

Hong Kong's Airport Authority said on Tuesday operations at the city's international airport had been seriously disrupted, as riot police used pepper spray to disperse thousands of black-clad protesters.

The Hang Seng stock index fell to a seven-month low on Tuesday and embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam said the city had been pushed into a state of "panic and chaos".

China condemned some protesters for using dangerous tools to attack police, saying the clashes showed "sprouts of terrorism". The protests represent one of the biggest challenges for Chinese President Xi Jinping since he came to power in 2012.

Demonstrators say they are fighting the erosion of the "one country, two systems" arrangement that enshrined some autonomy for Hong Kong when it returned to China in 1997.

The protests began in opposition to a now-suspended bill that would have allowed the extradition of suspects for trial in mainland China but have swelled into wider calls for democracy.

Check-in operations at the airport were suspended late on Tuesday afternoon, a day after an unprecedented shutdown. Thousands of peaceful protesters had swarmed the arrivals and departures halls earlier on Tuesday, chanting, singing and waving banners.

However, some protesters used luggage trolleys to blockade the doors to customs checkpoints. Protesters also scuffled with police later in the evening and several police vehicles were blocked amid heated scenes, according to Reuters witnesses.

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Personally, I don't think China will send in the PAP. It's simply not necessary at this point. Sending in PAP is the last resort. First of all, the protesters probably do not have majority support even in Hong Kong, as the anti-protest petition demonstrates:

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Secondly, The Chinese and Hong Kong governments have quite a few other options at their dispersal. For example, China can cause more economic pain in Hong Kong by banning mainland tourism. 5 million mainland tourists visit Hong Kong each month. The loss of this revenue (3.9% of Hong Kong's GDP) may push Hong Kong's GDP growth into negative territory and causes a recession. That will surely turn many more Hongkongers against the protests. China can also threatens to cut off the Hong Kong stock market from the Shanghai stock market, which will even scare some of the stock owning Hong Kong elites, like what happened in 2014.

Finally, the Hong Kong government can issue emergency regulations and grant special power to the police, so they can take more decisive actions. Remember, the Hong Kong police force has been very restrained so far, unlike the police force that was under British rule, who opened fire on and killed stone-throwing protesters in 1967.
 
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Personally, I don't think China will send in the PAP. It's simply not necessary at this point. Sending in PAP is the last resort. First of all, the protesters probably do not have majority support even in Hong Kong, as the anti-protest petition demonstrates:

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Secondly, The Chinese and Hong Kong governments have quite a few other options at their dispersal. For example, China can cause more economic pain in Hong Kong by banning mainland tourism. 5 million mainland tourists visit Hong Kong each month. The loss of this revenue (3.9% of Hong Kong's GDP) may push Hong Kong's GDP growth into negative territory and causes a recession. That will surely turn many more Hongkongers against the protests. China can also threatens to cut off the Hong Kong stock market from the Shanghai stock market, which will even scare some of the stock owning Hong Kong elites, like what happened in 2014.

Finally, the Hong Kong government can issue emergency regulations and grant special power to the police, so they can take more decisive actions. Remember, the Hong Kong police force has been very restrained so far, unlike the police force that was under British rule, who opened fire on and killed stone-throwing protesters in 1967.

The Hong Kong police has been extremely restrained and the restraint paid off in having the hardline protesters prove themselves bigoted and violent and the hardline political opposition prove themselves liars, traitors, some having no control over their purported supporters in ensuring peaceful behavior, and some complicit in provoking violence. The Hong Kong government and police need to do a much better PR job in calling out these facts and countering misinformation by these groups, hostile foreign meddlers, and biased anti-government media, including arresting and prosecuting many more of these guilty parties. However it is important to note that these hardline anti-government elements are a small portion of the Hong Kong population and it is counter-productive and unnecessary to punish or sacrifice Hong Kong as a whole.

At the same time the Hong Kong government needs to show much stronger public appreciation, rally political and popular support for the police; proactively tackle the colonialist legacy of self-racism/anti-Chinese prejudice among the population; make the tough choices to address chronic acute pocketbook problems such as housing unaffordability, lack of opportunity/low wages relative to the cost of living, and tunnel vision parenting and systemic education/developmental shortcomings for young people; and develop and promote a clear vision for Hong Kong's future as a thriving part of a successful China.

The central Chinese authorities can and should do more to help with many of these efforts, especially in terms of converging them with national priorities and the national vision without making Hong Kong people feel anonymously absorbed. Then again the central Chinese authorities have the same communication and PR weaknesses as the Hong Kong authorities, maybe even more so. This should be a massive learning opportunity for both Hong Kong and central Chinese authorities, including in cyber warfare as a lot of anti-government misinformation and conspiring in organizing the violent protests takes place online.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I was discussing this with my girlfriend who is from Hong Kong and in Hong Kong now and she says it's obvious why the PLA have not stepped in yet. The riots are not at all what the Western media has portrayed. As a matter of fact, I was shocked to hear these things from her. First of all, there are many children, barely in their teens, who don't really know why they are there. I've never seen that in the Western media. Then, she says a lot of the ranks of these rioters are made of low level mercenaries being paid to riot. And fractures are starting to show because they are not getting paid as they were promised and rioters are starting to get angry in their internal ranks. As a matter of fact, the Chinese government is moving to further cut off their funding sources. She says it's obvious to her and the majority of the people in Hong Kong that foreigners have teamed up with traitors to foment this unrest and that the majority of rioters are just confused Chinese people being roped into it. That's why it's clear that for now, this situation requires a more tactical and softer touch rather than one of military power. I did not know any of that. By reading the Western news, I was led to believe that Hong Kong was made in large of die-hard traitors for whom there is no hope left...
 

Shaolian

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I was discussing this with my girlfriend who is from Hong Kong and in Hong Kong now and she says it's obvious why the PLA have not stepped in yet. The riots are not at all what the Western media has portrayed. As a matter of fact, I was shocked to hear these things from her. First of all, there are many children, barely in their teens, who don't really know why they are there. I've never seen that in the Western media. Then, she says a lot of the ranks of these rioters are made of low level mercenaries being paid to riot. And fractures are starting to show because they are not getting paid as they were promised and rioters are starting to get angry in their internal ranks. As a matter of fact, the Chinese government is moving to further cut off their funding sources. She says it's obvious to her and the majority of the people in Hong Kong that foreigners have teamed up with traitors to foment this unrest and that the majority of rioters are just confused Chinese people being roped into it. That's why it's clear that for now, this situation requires a more tactical and softer touch rather than one of military power. I did not know any of that. By reading the Western news, I was led to believe that Hong Kong was made in large of die-hard traitors for whom there is no hope left...

Thanks, that's reassuring news indeed. I've been reading and watching the news, and these rioters gives off a somewhat jarring or peculiar demeanor, especially when they'd like us to think of them as revolutionary fighters, or at the very least radicalised violent nuts. When they are at the receiving end or been confronted by a stronger force, for example when the White Shirts were dealing them the beatings, or when some of them were been arrested/roughen by the police, they seem to be quickly begging/asking for forgiveness, even crying. Doesn't look too nuts to me.
 

Equation

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Well that's the whole point of terrorism; just a small number of people can have a terrible effect.

Meanwhile, on the Chinese news, a HK independence advocate went to the ROC with a banner calling for founding an independent country from China. A Taiwanese citizen reportedly slapped him down to the ground where he began to roll around and cry.

Yes I agreed, but they can't change the politics or the current the government that they detest so much. They just don't have the power and numbers to adequately make a changing difference.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well you know you're dealing with spoiled brats when they themselves say they want to expose how much freedoms they have compared to those on the Mainland in order to start protests in China. I also love how these protesters had a vigil for one of their own who got shot in the eye (not dead) with a rubber bullet so they all placed eye patches over their eye(s) in solidarity. Ever see the riots that happen in their god's country? Much worse than anything you see in Hong Kong. But it's police brutality happening in Hong Kong!
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Yup those young brat better stop this madness or something bad about to happen
There are news that they bringing troop from Fujian and not Quangdong. The same thing happened in Beijing at first they bring Beijing Garrison but they don't want to use force to dislodge the student So they bring in troop from the hard scrabble most backward part of China who has natural resentment against those pampered city boys . They make short work out of those student.
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Chinese military vehicles stashed across Hong Kong border in soccer stadium, satellite images appear to show

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The Chinese government is moving troops to the border with Hong Kong according to a tweet from President Trump and new video from scene; Benjamin Hall reports.

Satellite images this week apparently captured more than 500
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in what many believe was a response to several days of violent protests that disrupted operations at one of the world’s busiest international airports.


The images, taken by Maxar’s WorldView Monday, appear to show hundreds of military vehicles lined up at the Shenzhen Bay Sports Center just across the harbor from Hong Kong, where months of protesting reached a pinnacle this week after thousands of demonstrators shut down all flights at Hong Kong International Airport.

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This satellite image captured on Monday, Aug. 12, 2019, provided by Maxar Technologies appears to show Chinese security force vehicles inside the Shenzen Bay Sports Center in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen, bordering Hong Kong. (Maxar Technologies via AP)

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Chinese state media disputed claims that the government moved the vehicles in response to the protests, saying that the exercises had been planned beforehand and were not directly related to the unrest in Hong Kong. This came despite Beijing saying the protests were beginning to show the "sprouts of terrorism."

Reports have circulated that China is believed to have already dispatched officers to fortify the ranks of the Hong Kong police and may also have planted decoys among the protesters in order to encourage more violent acts that could eventually turn ordinary residents against the movement.

Flights resumed Wednesday morning after an outburst of violence between protesters and police caused cancellations and delays over a two-day period.

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A statement from the airport's management said it had designated an area of the airport to be set aside for demonstrations, but no protests would be allowed outside the designated area.

For more than two months, Hong Kong has experienced mass protests urging democratic reforms and an investigation into police conduct. The shutdown of one of the world's busiest airports added to what authorities say is already a major blow to the financial hub's crucial tourism industry.

Protesters are demanding that Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam step down and pull legislation that would allow the government to extradite people to mainland China, where they would likely face torture or unfair, politically-charged trials. Recent demonstrations have called for an independent inquiry into the city’s police and its alleged abuse of power.

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Beijing has been reluctant to act over fears of the effect it would have on the reputation Hong Kong has a separate and safe haven to invest 22 years aft
 
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