Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

[gelgoog]

Right. Toshiba IIRC used to be one of Apple's NAND suppliers. They were on the verge of bankruptcy a couple of years back.
At one point Foxconn even made a bid on that part of the company. It had to be saved with Japanese state intervention. The cause of the financial trouble was external to Toshiba's NAND operations.

The US is not a major NAND supplier though. The only memory manufacturer in the US is Micron and I can't remember one design win in the smartphone segment by them. Samsung has had a tremendous lead on 3D NAND for years. Right now Toshiba also has a good product. China is still way behind in terms of national suppliers of these products however. There have been massive investments in the sector by the Chinese government and local state and private funds but it remains to be seen if those will be effective.

 

[Jura The idiot]

now I read
Huawei files lawsuit against U.S. government over equipment ban
Updated 11:16, 07-Mar-2019

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Chinese tech giant Huawei on Thursday said it is suing the United States over a law introduced last year that bans government agencies from buying its equipment.

Huawei in a statement said it has filed a complaint in a U.S. district court in Texas, challenging the U.S. National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which mentioned Huawei and ZTE by name.

The firm argues the restrictions targeting it are "unconstitutional".

The U.S. Congress has repeatedly failed to produce any evidence to support its restrictions on Huawei products, Guo Ping, Huawei Rotating Chairman said at a press conference in southern Chinese city Shenzhen, where Huawei's headquarters are based. “We are compelled to take this legal action as a proper and last resort."

The lawsuit was filed in a U.S. District Court in Plano, Texas.

"Section 889 of the 2019 NDAA not only bars all U.S. Government agencies from buying Huawei equipment and services, but also bars them from contracting with or awarding grants or loans to third parties who buy Huawei equipment or services, without any executive or judicial process," Huawei said in the statement.

"Section 889 is based on numerous false, unproven, and untested propositions. Contrary to the statute's premise, Huawei is not owned, controlled, or influenced by the Chinese government," Song Liuping, Huawei's Chief Legal Officer, told reporters at the press conference.

Estimates from industry sources show that allowing Huawei to compete would reduce the cost of wireless infrastructure by between 15 percent and 40 percent. This would save North America at least 20 billion U.S. dollars over the next four years.

Guo Ping expressed his belief that Huawei can bring more advanced technologies to the United States and help it build the best 5G networks.

"Huawei is willing to address the U.S. Government's security concerns. Lifting the NDAA ban will give the U.S. Government the flexibility it needs to work with Huawei and solve real security issues," Guo added.

 

[localizer]

Heh manafort gets 4 years, is Meng going to get screwed more because it's a rigged system or less because its a rigged system? Place your bets people.

 

[Biscuits]

Heh manafort gets 4 years, is Meng going to get screwed more because it's a rigged system or less because its a rigged system? Place your bets people.

She’s only there because US is losing the trade war at large and needs a bargaining chip. She will stay precisely as long as needed for US to get a deal. Maybe shorter if China starts mass arresting US spies in retaliation and the cost becomes unbearable.

They will probably “imprison” her in one of the places they put oligarchs like Manafort.
US doesn’t want her tell on their juridical system when she gets back.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

It is honor to die from fighting than get slaughter like lamb with no resistance Let see if they practice what they preached socalled "rule of law" Wining or loosing it does not matter let bring it in the open air for all the world to see But as usual I bet they chicken out and quashed the suit early since the do not want to give Huawei a platform to defend themselves
Kudo to Huawei

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Beijing jumped into the fight between Huawei and the U.S. government Friday, telling the telecoms giant not to be “victimized” and that it has the full backing of the Chinese government.

The comments from China’s Foreign Minister, Beijing’s first official words on the Huawei dispute, ended the government’s previously conciliatory tone, and come in the same week that Huawei

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against the U.S. government.

“We support the company and individual concerned taking up the weapons of the law to protect their interests and refusing to be victimized like a silent lamb," Foreign Minister Wang Yi Wang said during a party conference in Beijing, raising his fist in support.

Huawei claims Congress acted unconstitutionally when it banned government agencies from using the company’s equipment in a bill signed by Donald Trump in August.

The U.S. government has long viewed Huawei with suspicion but tensions were raised significantly in December when

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in Canada at the behest of the Justice Department.

Wang’s comments come as negotiators from Beijing and Washington thrash out a trade deal to end the long-running dispute over trade tariffs.

Negotiations could yield a possible second Mar-a-Lago summit between China’s President Xi Jinping and Trump, U.S. ambassador to China Terry Branstad said Friday.

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as “not very smart” in an interview with Bloomberg Friday.

Huawei is viewed as a global success story inside China, and Beijing’s support will be viewed positively in a country where most citizens believe the U.S. is persecuting the company.

Conversely, Huawei is viewed in the U.S. as a national security risk, providing backdoor access to the government to spy on users around the world. China’s Friday statement will likely reinforce the view in Washington that the company has unusually close ties to the ruling Communist Party.

China is seeking to position itself as a world power in artificial intelligence, 5G networks, robotics and quantum computing, with the government pouring vast resources into research and development. Wang said that China would seek to protect that investment by backing companies such as Huawei.

“What we aim to protect today is not just one company’s rights, but the reasonable rights of a nation and a people to develop,” Wang said.

The White House has mounted a sustained campaign in recent months to convince allies to ban Huawei from their networks. But in Europe, where the company has an established presence, several governments — including the U.K. and Germany — have rebuffed an outright ban.

“Europe will surely keep its fundamental long-term interests in mind and pursue a China policy that is consistent, independent and forward-leaning,” Wang said.

 

[taxiya]

Heh manafort gets 4 years, is Meng going to get screwed more because it's a rigged system or less because its a rigged system? Place your bets people.

Not because of that system, rigged or not. But based on how many Americans will be in Chinese detention ONCE Meng is handed over to US custody.

 

[B.I.B.]

Not because of that system, rigged or not. But based on how many Americans will be in Chinese detention ONCE Meng is handed over to US custody.

I reckon any american agent or someone gathering intelligence on their behalf would have been pulled out long ago and anyone that has applied for a permit to visit Tibet or Xinjiang has probably got a red flag along side their name.

 

[taxiya]

I reckon any american agent or someone gathering intelligence on their behalf would have been pulled out long ago and anyone that has applied for a permit to visit Tibet or Xinjiang has probably got a red flag along side their name.

That would mean that China is clear of spies. I don't think so. Besides, Meng is not charged as a spy, so any possible retaliatory detention does not have to be on the ground of espionage. It can be for example drugs, thefts, walking into the restricted area innocently, fraud etc. They can be cleared of any wrongdoing later on after a lengthy investigation.

 

[CMP]

Brexit was a gift to China from Russia. And Russia is doing the right thing by trying to sow discord and disunity within the EU. The real problem for China and Russia is the EU government. The individual national governments are ones that can be negotiated with and worked with, but the EU as a united whole is an enemy that must be split and divided. The best case scenario for China and Russia is for the EU to fracture and dissolve.

 

[localizer]

Brexit was a gift to China from Russia. And Russia is doing the right thing by trying to sow discord and disunity within the EU. The real problem for China and Russia is the EU government. The individual national governments are ones that can be negotiated with and worked with, but the EU as a united whole is an enemy that must be split and divided. The best case scenario for China and Russia is for the EU to fracture and dissolve.

Merkel did a good job of exploiting EU and pushing Germany far ahead of the pack in all metrics. Unless they find a more equitable way to handle the EU they're going to break up in the long run.

@taxiya and yea, like dave chappelle said, Japan got the masculinity bombed out of them and they've been making hello kitty ever since

I highly doubt that China would surrender even if the world turned against it.