2019 India-Pakistani border clash
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Well, I don't know about you, but the following is what *I* am seeing (first aircraft in the video):
Mad props if you can tell even the number of engines, let alone the exact type, from THAT
The video is so grainy that I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that the first jet is twin-engined, let alone a Su-30.
asif iqbal
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Eye witness accounts of aircraft crashes are notoriously unreliable. So many civilian accident investigations have recorded numerous reports of the airframe breaking up in flight when it was later forensically *proven* that it must have remained intact until impact with the ground or flight path descriptions which were completely at odds with the data later recovered from the recorders.
This doesn't mean ALL eye witness accounts are nonsense per se, but it does suggest that you have to treat them with abundant caution if there is no other corroborating evidence or even evidence to the contrary (as in this case).
A second chute? Could be *anything*, from parts which were ripped from the main wreckage of the MiG when the missile hit to the ejection seat (which typically deploys a drogue for stabilization, so the pilot can separate cleanly).
This doesn't mean ALL eye witness accounts are nonsense per se, but it does suggest that you have to treat them with abundant caution if there is no other corroborating evidence or even evidence to the contrary (as in this case).
A second chute? Could be *anything*, from parts which were ripped from the main wreckage of the MiG when the missile hit to the ejection seat (which typically deploys a drogue for stabilization, so the pilot can separate cleanly).
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timepass
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Indian Media admits that Sukhoi Su-30 MKI of Indian Airforce has been shot down by Pakistani Airforce....
plawolf
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I am sure that chase video was originally used by the Indian media to claim it was their Mig21 chasing an F16. It is far too grainy to allow any conclusive ID of the types involved.
However, the video posted below that tweet with two parachutes is extremely convincing evidence to suggest a twin seater got splashed.
The suggestion that the second chute was the seat stabilisation chute does not stand, as such drag chutes are very small. See below an example in action.
If you can see the drag chute, you will also be able to positively ID the ejection seat as the seat is bigger than the chute.
Furthermore, such a small chute cannot effectively slow the descent of the ejection seat, so even if you did see it, it won’t be drifting down as shown, but rather a barely slowed plummet.
However, the video posted below that tweet with two parachutes is extremely convincing evidence to suggest a twin seater got splashed.
The suggestion that the second chute was the seat stabilisation chute does not stand, as such drag chutes are very small. See below an example in action.
If you can see the drag chute, you will also be able to positively ID the ejection seat as the seat is bigger than the chute.
Furthermore, such a small chute cannot effectively slow the descent of the ejection seat, so even if you did see it, it won’t be drifting down as shown, but rather a barely slowed plummet.
Just a clarification for everyone and need to understand what Deino has posted
All earlier photos of twin engine jets were file photos shared by many media houses and social media accounts (even I shared one unknowingly) those pics had nothing to do with the current events and all those were the photos of different crashes of IAF jets but non of those pics were showing Su-30 at least I have not seen any pic which was shared by any media house or trustworthy social media account showing Su-30 as shown down by PAF.
timepass
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we all know Indian media & if they are claiming the down of SU-30MKI. it means there was very conclusive evidence at their end which defiantly they can't deny...
asif iqbal
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And to add to that
The language that used in that video is local Kashmiri dialect
You can hear the people discussing is it Pakistani or Indian
Then the guys say they can see Indian flag
The language that used in that video is local Kashmiri dialect
You can hear the people discussing is it Pakistani or Indian
Then the guys say they can see Indian flag
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