2019 India-Pakistani border clash

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ougoah

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LOL indian AF has done a media debriefing where they openly claim F 16 was shot down while we lost a mig 21 on the other hand DG ISPR has changed their statement 5 times from 2 fighter shot down & 3 pilots captured to 2 to now only one & no f 16 used lol rest of your post is like typical post in this thread full of no substance what so ever....I will stand with official indian govt statement not with cheer leaders so shoo!!

Yet another embarrassing post from to, revealing your tendencies. Again I will ask you for your proof. Indian chauvinist love bashing other people for their supposed ignorance but when it comes to their country and nedia, it is faultless and requires no proof. Please share with us your irrefutable photos of F16? I'm not saying it isn't the case at all and not saying mki is down either. Can you please be sensible like the other Chinese members here and not be a cheerleader for India? Wait until confirmation is out and stop posting India media sources. these guys told you nonsense about tracking and identifying j-20 from well beyond 100km range. And apparently mki was able to magically know the j-20 wasn't wearing a luneberg lense. They told you guys that level of garbage and you still trust them?

Your official sources may be better in terms of reputation but at this point there is a clear conflict of interest so best not believe anything Pakistan or India say officially
 

gelgoog

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I don't see any reason why the JF-17 should not outclass the J7, with all the effort that was put into it.
Although it is true what you said, that if a JF-17 faced off against a Su-30MKI the scenario would be very different from the Mig-21 Bison clash. But that would at least be a somewhat even playing field, with the deciding factor being that of the individual pilots's skills. I would image the JF-17 being better in CQC whereas the Su-30 would dominate in energy maneuvers.

I do not know about that. The JF-17 has not so good thrust-to-weight ratio. Kind of heavy empty weight and the engine thrust is kind of on the low side.
Also the Chinese IR air-to-air missiles it has should be inferior to their Russian counterparts.

With enough numbers things might be different. But current production is not substantial enough.
 

ougoah

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Look like you are watching to much chinese movies :D nice bait troll but I won't take it .

Sorry but at the moment it is a comprehensively recognised fact that iaf tried to claim photos of mig21 as a downed F16. Proven by falsified serial number which was a different number on the database. Also easily debunked. If Pakistan is lying about downed F16 why on earth will they post photos of their guys around it all over the internet? Sorry that's indian media and bjp level stupidity. They think the whole world is 70 IQ morons. Prove otherwise please. At the moment it seems like F16 was not shot down until we get real evidence it is then we will know for sure. So no more talking about F16 just like no more talking about mki alright? I remember us Chinese members telling others off for not providing evidence for mki wreck. So we are fair here. They just didn't claim it with anywhere near as much arrogance as you so they get better tteatment. While this forum is about mutual respect your attitude deserves none.

Another fact. Pakistan is in possession of an Indian pilot and did shoot down a mig 21. That's it. So cool it and stop calling others trolls when you are embarrassing Indians around the world with your arrogance when you have just been humbled. Almost like you're an Indian hater trying to create a bad image for normal Indians.
 

berserk

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Sorry but at the moment it is a comprehensively recognised fact that iaf tried to claim photos of mig21 as a downed F16. Proven by falsified serial number which was a different number on the database. Also easily debunked. If Pakistan is lying about downed F16 why on earth will they post photos of their guys around it all over the internet? Sorry that's indian media and bjp level stupidity. They think the whole world is 70 IQ morons. Prove otherwise please. At the moment it seems like F16 was not shot down until we get real evidence it is then we will know for sure. So no more talking about F16 just like no more talking about mki alright? I remember us Chinese members telling others off for not providing evidence for mki wreck. So we are fair here. They just didn't claim it with anywhere near as much arrogance as you so they get better tteatment. While this forum is about mutual respect your attitude deserves none.

Another fact. Pakistan is in possession of an Indian pilot and did shoot down a mig 21. That's it. So cool it and stop calling others trolls when you are embarrassing Indians around the world with your arrogance when you have just been humbled. Almost like you're an Indian hater trying to create a bad image for normal Indians.
No photo of mig 21 was pass off as F 16 by IAF & India never denied it lost a mig 21 pilot officially while Pakistan has been officially caught lying of having 3 pilot first than 2 in its custody & then settling for only one & no f 16 used lol now shoo!!
 
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Great, now we only need Asif back in here and this thread will finally degrade to the level of that of 4chan.
Both sides are basically pulling arguments out of thin air, with loads of official press statements but with 0 supporting evidence to back it up.
 

ougoah

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No photo of mig 21 was pass off as F 16 by IAF & India never denied it lost a mig 21 pilot officially while Pakistan has been officially caught lying of having 3 pilot first than 2 in its custody & then settling for only one & no f 16 used lol now shoo!!

Yes they are changing their story. Let me give you a small lesson. Because Pakistan is changing their official story with different sources reporting different things, does not mean everything India is saying is accurate either.

India has officially been caught lying about mig21 wreckage as Pakistani F16. Proven fact. Changed its story of su30mki patrolling the area to no su30mki present in the area. Changed story from one mig lost to Pakistani fire to one mig lost to PAF and one mig lost to accident. LOL tell your media to get its lies in order. Plan it out carefully first. Now shoo.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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No, Indian Media did.
Otherwise the IAF has said they did shoot down a F16 however has not produced evidence there in.
They have produced the head of an AMRAAM C that is likely from a FMS
 

ougoah

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India should do the following. Officially come out with a concrete black and white statement deatiling everything they know. Provide a photo of amraam with their airforce officials next to it and confirm all text on the missile for verification of origin and nation supplied to so that third parties in US can verify.

If it is confirmed true, a missile from F16 DOES NOT mean shot down F16 like some morons are fallaciously thinking. It does confirm F16 being used. That's it.

They are not issuing any detailed official statement because there's information they want to hide. They want to win the pointless pr victory for a feel good attitude for their masses and avoid embarrassment for Modi and his fellow nationalists. The people who matter probably already have satellite images since these tensions started flaring up a week ago and everyone is observing in silence.

The only reason I can think of for US cooperation in this whole f26 shot down lie, is just to preserve the image of their F16 for possibly indian sale. Imagine the success of their f21 pitch if a mig21 can shoot down an F16.
 

berserk

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Yes they are changing their story. Let me give you a small lesson. Because Pakistan is changing their official story with different sources reporting different things, does not mean everything India is saying is accurate either.

India has officially been caught lying about mig21 wreckage as Pakistani F16. Proven fact. Changed its story of su30mki patrolling the area to no su30mki present in the area. Changed story from one mig lost to Pakistani fire to one mig lost to PAF and one mig lost to accident. LOL tell your media to get its lies in order. Plan it out carefully first. Now shoo.
Dude just give it a rest there is no official statement by either IAF or indian govt of nonsense you are blabbering about... twitterits claims doesn't matter at least read indian govt or IAF official briefing before spewing your nonsense here.
 
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