Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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AssassinsMace

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The Economist is the defender of the old British colonialist economic world order. They hate anything that counters or criticizes it. It's like Boris Johnson bragging about everyone speaking English in the world as compared to China where the world doesn't speak Chinese. Yeah leave out the part where people speak English around the world because it was done under the barrel of a gun and you have the Economist.
 

Gatekeeper

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The Economist is the defender of the old British colonialist economic world order. They hate anything that counters or criticizes it. It's like Boris Johnson bragging about everyone speaking English in the world as compared to China where the world doesn't speak Chinese. Yeah leave out the part where people speak English around the world because it was done under the barrel of a gun and you have the Economist.

Agree 100%
 

Gatekeeper

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don't worry, just tell us what are your sources which don't make you shiver as The Economist Monday at 8:56 PM

(perhaps Xinhua, People's Daily, ...?)
Maybe the morning star. Or is it the daily sports. Or how about the local town crier!
Come on Jura. You know better than this. So stop right now please. After all this is a forum for exchange. We want to keep it civil.
Appreciation in advance
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plawolf

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economist is biased ever since china banned them

The Economist magazine has been biased long before they were banned. Indeed, that was the reason it was banned.

They are as rabidly anti-China as they are pro-American.

It is just another propaganda tool staffed with useful idiots who’s primary recruitment criteria is how fervently they believe in the party line.

I had a subscription to TE for a while as a student, and whenever they call me up trying to get me to re-subscribe, I always tell them I’m not interested because of their politics, and that’s always enough. The guy/girl never tries to convince me more after hearing that, so that tells you how blatant their political bias is.

Sadly, economics is one of those fields with significant element of judgement involved because of how complicated it is.

There are so many variables and interlinked conditions that there will almost never be a scenario where government policy precisely matches all the prescription of an armchair economist, thereby it is incredibly difficult to prove them wrong when their predictions don’t come true, since they can point to the smallest divination and claim that to be the deciding factor.

With the likes of the Economist and other western propaganda outfits, when it comes to their persistent failures wrt China, they can always drag out their old go to excuse of casting doubt on official Chinese government statistics.

As if all of China’s gleaming skyscrapers and the growing wealth that almost all Chinese citizens are experiencing are all just made up numbers.
 
Japan's NHK and Nikkei Shimbun possess the most respected journalism I can think of. They are more factual, genuinely balanced than western counterpart, very enlightening and serves the public. It is not totally devoid of politics but you will find more balance in their reporting, minimal if any blatant propaganda like many of their western counterpart. You will not see many western publications reference these outlet because it does not serve their agenda. Western media is controlled by a few select group, too compromised by special interest and not accountable to truthfulness and general public.

People's Daily and Xinhua should emulate them if not already. They tend to have more similarity than their western counterpart.
 

localizer

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Japan's NHK and Nikkei Shimbun possess the most respected journalism I can think of. They are more factual, genuinely balanced than western counterpart, very enlightening and serves the public. It is not totally devoid of politics but you will find more balance in their reporting, minimal if any blatant propaganda like many of their western counterpart. You will not see many western publications reference these outlet because it does not serve their agenda. Western media is controlled by a few select group, too compromised by special interest and not accountable to truthfulness and general public.

People's Daily and Xinhua should emulate them if not already. They tend to have more similarity than their western counterpart.

u cant beat lies with truth u gotta lie even better

u cant beat western imperialism with pacifism
u cant beat the western propaganda machine by staying quiet

the world doesnt work like that because the west mastered manipulation of the masses

if uve ever played risk or civilization u’d know that the bullshit (war, propaganda, ...) never ends until there is only 1 person left standing.
 
u cant beat lies with truth u gotta lie even better

u cant beat western imperialism with pacifism
u cant beat the western propaganda machine by staying quiet

the world doesnt work like that because the west mastered manipulation of the masses

if uve ever played risk or civilization u’d know that the bullshit (war, propaganda, ...) never ends until there is only 1 person left standing.
LOL! one of several expressions in Spanish I know is
último hombre en pie
 

weig2000

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Huawei has over 50% of the market in Europe for 4G. If the European countries follow the US order to ban Huawei on 5G, they would definitely shoot themselves in the foot. We've heard German operators propose alternatives to banning Huawei on 5G, now it's the British operators.

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The decision, if it goes against Huawei, could delay 5G roll-outs

It's called the Supply Chain Review and sounds very dull but it could determine the UK's hi-tech future.

As the political temperature around Huawei's role in the UK rises, mobile phone operators await a decision from the government on whether they can continue to use the Chinese giant's equipment.

They expect that ruling to come in late March or early April, when the review of the supply chain of UK telecoms networks to ensure their security and resilience is due to be published.

According to the Department of Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, which is leading the review, it is about far more than Huawei's role in the next generation 5G mobile networks. But that is the only issue about which the mobile operators care.

The operators fear that pressure from politicians concerned about the alleged security threat posed by Huawei, will result in a severe curtailment of their choice of suppliers.

In background briefings with three of the major operators, there has been a constant theme - we know we need to keep Huawei out of the most sensitive parts of our networks, but a blanket ban would be a disaster for the roll-out of 5G and for the UK's role in a vital technology.

Their preparations for the commercial launch of their 5G networks towards the end of this year are well advanced and they are all planning to use plenty of Huawei equipment, not in their core networks but at their phone mast sites and in the kit to link them to the central brain.

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They want to keep using the Chinese firm's equipment because they like what it offers, not only in price but quality.

"They've two unique advantages," says one technology chief. "They have significantly more engineers working on R&D than other suppliers and they are prepared to innovate for a specific customer. "

Huawei's main competitors are Nokia and Ericsson, but another telecoms operator says "they are seen universally as being well ahead of European vendors".

The operators also believe that the Chinese competition is forcing the European rivals to up their game and say they are fully aware of the security issues around Huawei. They have consulted the experts at the government's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) during the procurement process.

"Their advice was if you want to minimise the risk you shouldn't have everything end to end owned by one vendor," explained one company.

The NCSC also advised that some parts of a 5G network were more high risk than others - the operator ended up using a mix of suppliers including Huawei, but kept the Chinese firm away from the most sensitive areas.

But what happens if the Supply Chain Review recommends shutting the firm out of 5G completely? The operators point out that as 5G networks are effectively an upgrade of 4G, where Huawei equipment is pervasive, the consequences would be severe.

"You can't do 5G without 4G - a lot of people don't understand that," says one operator. "You're talking then about a massive replacement programme and a massive delay to 5G for all operators. plus a massive increase in costs as well.

"We would have to go and replace all of the Huawei 4G kit we have and deploy a different vendor's equipment." says another. "We'd have to fully test that different vendor's 5G before we started that process, so that would take another 12 to 18 months."

All agree that this would mean a major delay in the arrival of the next generation networks, at a time when Europe appears ahead of the United States in 5G preparations and well-placed to catch up with Asia.

What they want more than anything else is a commodity that is in short supply for many British businesses right now - certainty.

"We need to start putting kit at the top and bottom of towers and getting it ready," one operator said.

The operators say the first priority must be to keep the country secure but the second should be to make the UK a world leader in telecommunications. Their concern is that shutting out Huawei would make that second aim unattainable.
 
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Thailand launches Huawei 5G test bed
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Thailand on Friday launched a Huawei Technologies 5G test bed, the tech giant's first such platform in Southeast Asia, amid rising scrutiny some Western countries set on the company.

The test site is located in Chonburi, the heart of Thailand's 45-billion-U.S.-dollar economic project, the Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC), about 90 km (55.92 miles) southeast of capital city Bangkok, Reuters reported on Friday.

Huawei, the world's top producer of telecoms equipment and second biggest maker of smartphones, claimed that it is currently the industry's only vendor that can provide end-to-end 5G systems.

The company said it has secured more than 30 commercial 5G contracts globally.

In addition to the test bed, Huawei is in talks with local telecoms operations, such as Advanced Info Service Pcl and TRUE, to secure local partnerships ahead of a national rollout scheduled for December 2020, Reuters reported, citing anonymous industry sources.

Backlash faced by Huawei

The U.S. has been pressuring its allies to resist Huawei for what is claimed security reasons although the company has repeatedly denied the allegation from the U.S. of spying for the Chinese government.

“We keep a close watch on the allegations worldwide. However, this 5G test bed project is a testing period for the country,” Thailand's Minister of Digital Economy Pichet Durongkaveroj was quoted as saying by Reuters. “We can make observations which will be useful to either confirm or disconfirm the allegations.”

In a rare interview last month, Ren Zhengfei, founder of Huawei, said his company would “never damage the interests of clients,” and the Chinese government has never asked for “inappropriate information.”

Cybersecurity has been made into a “political and maybe ideological issue” which is “not fair” for a technology company, Huawei Thailand said in a statement to Reuters on Friday.

The Chinese government has called for open and fair competition for Chinese tech companies, including Huawei.

When Australia banned Huawei from supplying equipment for a 5G mobile network last August, China described the move an “ideological prejudice” and urged Australia to provide a fair competitive environment for Chinese companies' operations.

Thailand's 5G plan

Thailand's 5G technology alliance in test bed laboratories and field trials was established to promote 5G infrastructure adoption by 2020, which has been a critical national agenda to achieve the Digital Thailand vision, Bangkok Post reported in November.

In addition to Huawei, the alliance includes Ericsson, Qualcomm, Intel, Nokia, major local telecom operators and the Thai Federation of ICT Technology Association, the report said.

Vendors like Nokia, Ericsson and Thai telecoms operators have also set up 5G labs at the test site in Chonburi, Reuters reported.

Pichet said that the government believes that 5G tech adoption will be 40 percent cheaper through infrastructure sharing, Bangkok Post reported.
 
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