F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

TerraN_EmpirE

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Don't need one, I imagine that if they intend on the existing ships they won't bother with the ramp.
Although the idea of turning Aircraft Carrier Ibuki from fiction to reality has a fun aspect it's not a practical reason.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Don't need one, I imagine that if they intend on the existing ships they won't bother with the ramp.
Although the idea of turning Aircraft Carrier Ibuki from fiction to reality has a fun aspect it's not a practical reason.
Curious why would you think that? First everyone says the idea is 'fanboish junk', then the Japanese Government says yes we are going to do this and the same voices say in pantomime style 'Oh no you won't!' and now they've put their money where their mouth is. Now are you suggesting the ski jump will cost billions to install? Painting the deck with Thermion will bust the budget? Ski Jumps are solid metal with no moving parts, can be pre fabricated in sections and installed on a ship in a matter of weeks. Painting the deck with Thermion takes a little longer but we aren't talking a multi year rebuild by any means. Remember this class of ships were designed from the start to accept these upgrades. It's possibly the most inexpensive, Practical and desirable upgrade for them imaginable.CVH-92-Ibuki-01.jpg
 

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Curious why would you think that? First everyone says the idea is 'fanboish junk', then the Japanese Government says yes we are going to do this and the same voices say in pantomime style 'Oh no you won't!' and now they've put their money where their mouth is. Now are you suggesting the ski jump will cost billions to install? Painting the deck with Thermion will bust the budget? Ski Jumps are solid metal with no moving parts, can be pre fabricated in sections and installed on a ship in a matter of weeks. Painting the deck with Thermion takes a little longer but we aren't talking a multi year rebuild by any means. Remember this class of ships were designed from the start to accept these upgrades. It's possibly the most inexpensive, Practical and desirable upgrade for them imaginable.View attachment 50225

Agreed Obi Wan! ;)
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I know this is just a fictional model but say the JMSDF build this ship they need to put that forward elevator on the deck edge to help increase the aircraft capacity of the ship and help the flight deck and hangar deck run smoother.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I didn't say billions. Infact I never mentioned a price point. Or a reason behind my thinking.
I am well aware that Izumo class was designed to be compatible with F35B and MV22B.
I simply said that at that they seem to aim for the existing ships. To make the transition faster it's likely that will keep them closer to as is.
Farther more the ships likely already have some degree of thermal coating because of the intentions of using them with V22.
It just seems to me like there most likey that the set up and training for these would be with the USMC who flys F35B ramp less.

I actually deleted a thought I had that if they wanted to make follow on orders of F35B and a second flight of Izumo class they might go for a ramp then.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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I didn't say billions. Infact I never mentioned a price point. Or a reason behind my thinking.
I am well aware that Izumo class was designed to be compatible with F35B and MV22B.
I simply said that at that they seem to aim for the existing ships. To make the transition faster it's likely that will keep them closer to as is.
Farther more the ships likely already have some degree of thermal coating because of the intentions of using them with V22.
It just seems to me like there most likey that the set up and training for these would be with the USMC who flys F35B ramp less.

I actually deleted a thought I had that if they wanted to make follow on orders of F35B and a second flight of Izumo class they might go for a ramp then.
Yes the Japanese would indeed carry out their training with the USMC. The US Navy is indeed ramp-less, the USMC however is not. There is a Ramp at Pax River used to prepare for using the F-35B aboard the QECs:hqdefault.jpg
So training with the USMC to prepare for shipboard operations presents no obstacles.

Waiting until new ships are built whilst ignoring the existing ones seems dreadfully wasteful, when again that's not the Japanese Government's stated intention. Further ships will probably be built, but the two existing Izumos will most certainly be upgraded, otherwise that's a lot of money gone to waste. You don't need a 27,000 tonne carrier to operate six helicopters...

Rebuilding them with a forward deck edge lift however, is probably not on the cards as it would be by far the most expensive part of the upgrade. You don't just cut a hole in the side of a carrier and bolt a lift on the side, it involves a hell of a lot of intricate design work to preserve structural integrity. The US worked out how to do it back in the fifties and it's still one of their best kept carrier related secrets. Others have since figured it out. Structural stresses have to be re routed through different parts of the hull to avoid bucking and twisting. The Japanese certainly know how to do it, the Izumos already have an aft deck edge lift, but that was designed in from the start. Having one would be nice but at this stage would almost qualify as an expensive luxury.5c7jalw.jpg 3a9cee2f5ae2293e3067bbc7967e671e.jpg
But this how they might look with the forward deck edge lift fitted:
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Nov 17, 2018
Jul 19, 2017now (dated November 15)
Pentagon report on Turkey's F-35 program delivered to Congress
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Turkey’s F-35 Role at Risk If It Buys From Russia, Pentagon Warns
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  • Clash is over plans to buy Russian S-400 anti-aircraft system
  • Unclassified summary of classified report sent to Congress
Turkey risks expulsion from the U.S.-led F-35 program, the world’s costliest weapons project, if its government takes delivery of an advanced Russian anti-aircraft system, according to an unclassified summary of a Pentagon report sent to Congress.

Although Turkey “has been an important program partner,” investing more than $1.25 billion in the stealthy F-35 jet since its development phase began in 2002, “the administration will reassess Turkey’s continued participation as one of the eight partner nations should they continue their purchase of the S-400,” according to the two-page summary of a classified report prepared for lawmakers.

“The Turkish government has repeatedly and publicly stated that it has concluded an agreement to procure the S-400” with initial delivery “as early as” July 2019, according to the report seen by Bloomberg News.

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, 10 Turkish companies have been set to produce about $12 billion in parts, including key components such as the center fuselage and some landing gear. For certain items, like the cockpit display, Turkey is the sole source.

“Turkish industry manufactures aircraft parts for all F-35 variants and customers,” the Defense Department said.

Congressional Pressure
A longer classified report examining U.S.-Turkish relations, including the F-35, was required in this year’s defense policy bill at the insistence of Senators Thom Tillis, a North Carolina Republican, and Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat. The legislation directed that no F-35 deliveries be made to Turkey until the report was delivered, which it was earlier this month.
Turkey, which the report calls “a critical NATO ally,” remains about two years from receiving its first F-35s. It has already authorized purchase of 30 of a planned 100 fighters.


The Russian S-400 was designed to shoot down U.S. and coalition aircraft at greater ranges and altitudes than older systems. U.S. officials are concerned that sensitive F-35 technology designed to evade such a system could be compromised and used to improve the Russian air defense system if Turkey takes possession of both systems.

Speaking to reporters in Washington this month, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said his country had wanted to buy U.S.-made Patriot missiles but was never able to get a commitment from Washington. He said there was no going back on the S-400 deal but left the door open to buying U.S. hardware in the future.

‘Done Deal’
“The current deal is a done deal -- I cannot cancel it,” Cavusoglu said. “But I need more. I prefer to buy from my allies.”

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The summary sent to Congress acknowledged Turkey’s position, saying the country has been “frustrated with its protracted, decade-long search for an air and missile defense system.”

As the U.S. tries to dissuade Turkey from plans to buy the S-400, the administration “has developed an alternative package to provide Turkey with a strong, capable,” NATO-compatible air and missile defense system that requires congressional support, according to the summary. The Pentagon said that’s “essential to provide a real alternative that would encourage Turkey to walk away from a damaging S-400 acquisition,” it said.

‘Serious Vulnerabilities’
Shaheen said in a statement that she was “pleased by the timeliness and comprehensive nature” of the Pentagon’s full, classified report, but she urged the Defense Department to “share this information with the American people.”

“Limiting the availability of this report to a select group was not the intent of the law that Senator Tillis and I wrote,” she said.


As lawmakers review what steps to take now, Shaheen said it’s critical to keep in mind that the S-400 “poses serious vulnerabilities to NATO’s airspace and will present additional intelligence issues for the United States and other NATO allies, including Turkey.”

Turkey’s Role
The Pentagon summary acknowledged Turkey’s “unique geostrategic position on NATO’s southeastern flank” and said it has a “credible plan” to increase its defense spending to 2 percent of gross domestic product by 2024 -- a key demand that President Donald Trump is making of partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

“Despite bilateral tensions, Turkey remains a productive military partner in many areas,” with more than 2,000 U.S. troops and “dozens of air and radar assets” in the country, the Pentagon said.

In addition to potential expulsion from the F-35 program, acquisition of the S-400 could trigger U.S. sanctions and could affect Turkey’s acquisition of other weapons including
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’s CH-47F Chinook helicopter and Lockheed’s F-16 fighter and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, it said.
 
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Lockheed Martin Reduces Cost Of F-35 Mission Simulator
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manufacturer
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says it has reduced the cost of the “full-mission simulator” used to train pilots on the fifth-generation fighter by 25%, or $3 million, per simulator since 2012.

Lockheed Martin delivered the first F-35 simulator to Eglin AFB, Florida, in April 2011. It says it achieved the cost reduction by negotiating long-term supply chain contracts, using automation on the production line and employing advanced manufacturing techniques, including 3D printing of simulator parts such as component housings and brackets. The measures produced $45 million in savings on a low-rate initial production lot 11 order comprising 15 simulators.

The manufacturer reported on the status of the F-35 simulator produced by its Orlando-based Training and Logistics Solutions (TLS) business on Nov. 27 during the Interservice/Industry Training, Simulation and Education Conference here. Also briefed was the status of the fighter’s Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), which captures and analyzes aircraft condition data to support maintenance, fault-prediction and supply chain management of parts.

The simulator has a 360-deg. visual display system and can be reconfigured for each of the three F-35 variants. Pilots complete roughly half of initial qualification flights in the device, Lockheed Martin says.

By 2020, Lockheed Martin expects to have delivered 100 F-35 simulators to U.S. military services and partner nations. During this time, it will also invest $30 million to modernize the F-35 virtual training environment based on emerging threats and drive concurrency between the training system and F-35 capability, said Amy Gowder, TLS vice president and general manager.

Next year will see F-35 Block 4 training system upgrades and the first networked simulators allowing for distributed mission training scenarios involving the F-35, the
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and fourth-generation fighters, she added.

Lockheed Martin is currently deploying ALIS version 3.0 software, which makes the system more user friendly for maintainers. An ALIS 3.1 release enables sovereign data management, allowing F-35 partner nations to protect certain information, such as pilot names.
 
Nov 10, 2018
May 19, 2018...
Italy signals slowdown on F-35 orders
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Italy F-35s reach initial operating capability
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Italian Air Force F-35s have reached initial operating capability,Gen. Alberto Rosso, the country’s air force chief, said Nov. 30. The announcement marked the first time the aircraft has achieved the milestone in Europe.

Officials broke the news at Italy’s Amendola Air Base in southern Italy, where eight Italian F-35s are stationed, and the announcment coincided with the staging of the latest edition of the 10-nation Tactical Leadership Program — a course for mission commanders. The course is regularly held in Spain, but was moved to Amendola to help with the debut of the Italian F-35s in the program. That program involved 50 aircraft and the participation of Italy, Spain, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Belgium, France, Holland, the United Kingdom and the United States.

“This is an important day, since it is the first concrete integration of fourth and fifth generation aircraft,” Rosso said.

Italy has said it will order 90 F-35s, including 60 F-35As and 30 F-35Bs, although the current Italian government, which took office in June, has declined to provide a final total.

Italy has thus far taken delivery of 10 F-35As and one F-35B. Two of the As and the B aircraft are being used for training in the United States, while eight of the As have been deployed to Amendola. However, one aircraft is back at the Italian assembly line for maintenance, repair, overhaul, and upgrade.

The Italian aircraft have totaled 2,000 flying hours.

A series of milestones since the delivery of the first aircraft to Amendola in December 2016 prompted officials to declare the new milestone. Those included the placing of aircraft on operational alert status in March. Then in June, four aircraft were deployed to Rivolto air base in northern Italy where they flew training exercises across the border at Polygone electronic warfare range in Germany.

“The weather was terrible and it played a major part in the obtaining of IOC,” said one official.

Along with aircraft from visiting air forces at Amendola in late November, one of Italy’s two CAEW early warning Gulfstream aircraft took part in the training course.

Officials said that getting the F-35 and the Gulfstreams to work together was successful. “It’s all about shifting from vocal communications to data links, to the point that what you see on the screen of the F-35 is what you see on the screen of the Gulfstream,” said one official.

Base commander Col. Davide Marzinotto said another key factor was upgrading all eight aircraft to Block 3F software from the previous Block 3i. “The U.S. Marines declared IOC with Block 3i, but we decided on the upgrade to 3F before doing so,” he said.

Weaponry enabled through Block 3i included the AMRAAM missile, and GBU 12 and 31 munitions. With Block 3F software, Gatling guns can be used as well as the GBU 39 small diameter bomb.

Marzinotto said he was monitoring the F-35’s ALIS logistics system, which has raised concern over the potential need among F-35 partners to share sensitive data on aircraft use in order to benefit from the common system.

“ALIS is a new approach and there was a need to find a right balance between sovereignty and support, given that when you want to share spare parts supply you need to share information,” he said.

“ALIS is a great evolution,” he added, but “it is a challenge to protect information. After air forces asked for it, we will be the first outside the U.S. to receive, in the first quarter of next year, an upgrade to satisfy the careful sharing of information.”
 
the wording (
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"For the pilots of the F-35s the exercise gave them an opportunity to continue to develop tactics and procedures for operating side-by-side with less-advanced interceptors (Rafales, Hawks, F15s and even Typhoons are classed as fourth-generation fighters, the Lightning is fifth)."
 
Curious why would you think that? First everyone says the idea is 'fanboish junk', then the Japanese Government says yes we are going to do this and the same voices say in pantomime style 'Oh no you won't!' and now they've put their money where their mouth is. Now are you suggesting the ski jump will cost billions to install? Painting the deck with Thermion will bust the budget? Ski Jumps are solid metal with no moving parts, can be pre fabricated in sections and installed on a ship in a matter of weeks. Painting the deck with Thermion takes a little longer but we aren't talking a multi year rebuild by any means. Remember this class of ships were designed from the start to accept these upgrades. It's possibly the most inexpensive, Practical and desirable upgrade for them imaginable.View attachment 50225
found the source for you:
captioned:
いずも空母化を記念して、実際に空母にした場合を想定してみました。 細かな部分は、作れていないので、皆様、何卒、ご容赦をお願い致します。
an automatic translation:
In celebration of the aircraft carrier, I tried to assume the case of actually making it an aircraft carrier. I can not make a detailed part, everyone, please humbly forgive me.
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from what I've now figured in Twitter, she became popular in Japanese cartoons to the point of currently being offered as
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1/700 DDV192 空母いぶき

1/700 AIRCRAFT CARRIER DDV192 IBUKI
2018年5月26日(土)ごろ発売

4,212円(本体価格3,900円)
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