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TerraN_EmpirE

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something for you to naysay, then:

number one,

I guess the official would still be something like Tuesday at 9:49 PM

but I'm not here to speak for the Kremlin LOL


number two,


from what I figured, a bigger problem should be where to go on with her refurbishing now?

they might decide not to lift the dry dock which foundered
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and "the other facility" is taken by
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number three,

if you want, try (some Chinese point of view; I skimmed over the Russian translation)

俄军被“印度事故病”附体?库兹涅佐夫号再出大事!
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Even if they tried to refloat the dock, TASS estimated 6 months for that. Which is likely an optimistic estimate. The the dock it's self would need repairs before use.
It's loss is not just a blow to the long troubled Russian Zombie carrier program though it was a major asset to the Russian Navy as a whole that dock was where the Kursk was dismantled, has done work on there Typhoon class boats and other very very large ships.
 
Even if they tried to refloat the dock, TASS estimated 6 months for that. Which is likely an optimistic estimate. The the dock it's self would need repairs before use.
It's loss is not just a blow to the long troubled Russian Zombie carrier program though it was a major asset to the Russian Navy as a whole that dock was where the Kursk was dismantled, has done work on there Typhoon class boats and other very very large ships.
Today at 5:16 PM
...

they might decide not to lift the dry dock which foundered
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...
... due to technical challenges described inside that link
 
Mar 1, 2018
Nov 16, 2017
"Admirals Triple" story
Aug 18, 2017
goes on as
Russia’s Yantar Shipyard launches two Project 11356 frigates
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what's probably the most funny is one of the ships just launched, the Admiral Kornilov, "wasn't officially laid down":
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now the story (
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) is "Admirals Triple" goes to India:
  • the Admiral Butakov, the Admiral Istomin to be finished in Russia (with Ukrainian turbines for which India already paid Ukraine), and
  • the Admiral Kornilov to be finished in India
while now it appears (
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) India purchased two NEW hulls

(NOT "Admirals Triple"
Butakov, shipyard item #01360;
Istomin 01361;
Kornilov 01362;
hulls),

and those hulls for India are to get Ukrainian (
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) turbines;

it's confusing to the point I'll now clip the part of that blog post to check I didn't misunderstand it:

"... согласно источникам нашего блога, два фрегата проекта 11356 для Индии по подписанному контракту будут построены на ПСЗ «Янтарь» полностью с "нуля", а не будут достроенными тремя приостановленными постройкой на заводе для ВМФ России фрегатами проекта 11356 ...

Что касается трех остающихся на ПСЗ «Янтарь» недостроенных фрегатов проекта 11356 (заводские номера 01360, 01361 и 01362), то, по имеющейся информации, их достройка для ВМФ России числится в Государственной программе вооружений на 2018-2027 года. ..."

oh and the cost (LOL how could I forget) of those two new hulls: $950m (nine-hundred-and-fifty million US dollars)
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the American block was sent in to actively exploit Russian markets, where there was an absence of Writ of State, and an abundance of corrupt business practices, in combination with rotten politicians who lined their pockets. If anyone's memory fails to recall, don't worry you can always take a look at what the American "Economic Hitmen" accomplished in Greneda, Niragua, Argentina, Panama, Columbia and Mexico.

Prior to that, the Bolshevik savages & butchers ravaged Russia for 100 years. After they had brutally murdered the Russian Monarchs, the Romanovs. Even the Russian people themselves, who had initially been brainwashed by the Bolsheviks, realized to their horror that they themselves supported butchers, revolted against the their new leaders. Soviet leadership were as stupid as they were blind, over stretching military spending, based on an Oil & Gas economy, whose medium of exchange currency was and still is (until recently) the US dollar. Spending on military hardware, starving your own people and in the process making your adversary even more powerful than it already is. Talk about being bonafide dumbasses, Soviet Bolshevik legacy is indeed something outta the twilight zone.

Fast forward to present time and an orchestrated Oil over supply by US and it's pet, the Saudi regime. Designed to specifically impede and grind to a halt, any possibility of Russia reaping the dividends of an Oil & Gas economy as the Middle East had for so many years. Then came the active and contrived meddling by US politicians to over throw Ukraine's democratically elected government. Forcing Russia to protect its interests in Crimea and take it back. Only direct access point for Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea and the very real possibility of losing an entire fleet command because of the Ukrainian Nationalists. Also, not to forget open threats to Europe, by US government not to buy Russian Oil & Gas. Instead offering its own LNG, which even the worst dumbass on this planet knows would be excruciatingly expensive to ship LNG across the Atlantic Ocean (in essence a permanent bee line of ships from US to EU) to fulfill Europe's energy requirements.

So in the period from 1917 to present day which is 120 years. The only time Russia has actually been in full control of its destiny, has been since Putin stepped in. And tend not to glorify men in power, because man has always been susceptible to fallacy. Yet, nature has its own way of correcting the imbalance. Even if it is 100 or so years late. Next time when some of you go on riding on a winged unicorn, over the vanilla skies in neverland ranch. Please do yourselves a favor and read some actual history for once. Not the garbage that usually is churned out from MSM and spoon fed to most.

And I get the feeling that freedom of speech doesn't mean squat to the high n mighty. Which is probably why my post will most likely (or most definitely get deleted) get removed. Or worse, I would get a warning or a ban, for my "Subversive" and "Belligerent" remarks. But at least I tried to reason with whom there seems no hope to reason with.

Let's see how right or wrong I am.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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I agree that the Russian Revolution was a pretty nasty affair. But I disagree that the Soviets did nothing but unproductive activity in the country over all those years. The Russian Empire collapsed in part because it lost two major wars in a short time. First with the Japanese (Russo-Japanese War) and then against the Germans (WWI). One could argue that if the Russians resisted more against the Germans in WWI, without Bolshevik interference, then they could have won the war on the side of the Entente and there would not have been those terrible losses in the Civil War that happened afterwards. I think this is true.

However to add insult to injury the war on the Western Front was basically at a stalemate. The stalemate was only resolved once the USA entered the war on the side of the Entente. But the USA only did that once Russia had terrible losses and the Eastern Front had already imploded. By that time the Bolsheviks had pretty much infiltrated the country. There were mass protests against the war because of the losses. The Bolshevik movement was supported by Imperial Germany as a way to knock off the Russian Empire out of the war. The Russian Revolution was basically sown by Imperial Germany's Secret Service. They were the ones who sent Lenin into Russia. Still even in that Dark Period that was Soviet rule they did electrify, industrialize the country, and modernize in a way that ensured they would not lose WWII like they did in the previous wars and recovered much of the territorial losses they suffered during the Civil War. At the cost of horrendous human losses. For sure. But certainly much less losses than they would have had if they lost the war against the Nazis given their policies of ethnic cleansing IMHO. It is right there written in Mein Kampf. Slavs were meant to be purged and they did act on that. After they won the war they rebuilt and had a decent standard of living around the 1950s-1960s. The population was educated and people were provided with housing and reasonable conveniences like running water and electricity. The worst of the political repression was also over. However as people's expectations on living standards increased with consumerism they had difficulties in remaining competitive due to the way their economy was structured with a planned economy. i.e. war communism. They also wasted a lot of resources on foreign wars.

I also agree that Putin is the best leader they have had in decades or perhaps more than that like the period you propose or even more than it. He might be autocratic but after the institutionalized gangsters in the 1990s there were little chances of Russia reforming without that kind of rule. I agree on that too.

Now with regards to the large surface vessel shipyards, those were like the lowest priority items in the entire Russian budget for obvious reasons. These are used to build offensive weapons to project power abroad. Russia was, and still is, rebuilding its military forces. Internal security and protecting the integrity of the Russian Federation is the main objective. Not foreign interventions. Only in the past like 5 years have some investments into large power projection been started. These include large aircraft and large ships. It still remains to be seen how those will happen. But consider that it takes at least a decade to put a weapon system into production. When was the JSF program started? In the 1990s? Also it is not like the USA has not had similar incidents with semi-submersible dock failures. USA naval infrastructure is also a pale shadow of what it was in the 1980s.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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PD50 may have finally sunk the Admiral Kuznetsov.
The Russians don't have a dry dock big enough to repair and service her. They can repair and upgrade the rest of thw fleet but at the moment they don't have the ability to finish her refit.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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lack of funds for the superstructure (fancy, composites) of
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That ship always seemed kinda top heavy to me. I mean there is nothing wrong with their existing ship designs like the Steregushchiy-class corvette. So WTF? The USA also had similar issues with composites in the Zumwalt class and the last ship is supposed to have the deckhouse built out of steel instead. In fact this ship reminds me of many of the issues with the USA LCS like the Freedom-class. A ship which cannot withstand assault weapons fire, because of the composites, with a poor configuration that is almost as heavy as a frigate but without the capabilities of one.

It cannot even be used to stop pirates with PKMs let alone do a major combat mission.
 
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