J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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manqiangrexue

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Literally everyone has tried that, and they've all failed.
So you can be everyone else and China can be China, the only nation in the world that was both an ancient superpower and a modern superpower. The dragon may slumber for centuries but it can never be slain, and it wakes, it will dominate the skies just as before. How fitting a name for Chinese aircraft! Good thing they didn't let someone with brain damage name it after his anime pillow LOL
 
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So you can be everyone else and China can be China, the only nation in the world that was both an ancient superpower and a modern superpower. The dragon may slumber for a millennium but it can never be slain, and it will rise to power again and again. How fitting a name for Chinese aircraft!

lol I think you're laying it on a bit thick there to Inst
 

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lol I think you're laying it on a bit thick there to Inst

The idea that China will always rise again, as I've mentioned, is no longer a truism as China has fallen below 20% of the world's population for the second time after the Song, and will drop to around 10% of the world's population by the end of the century. I'll also mention that during the Second World War, the Chinese resistance was so inept that in Henan, the Chinese actually rose up to depose KMT troops in favor of the Japanese invaders.

As for the J-20, I'll mention that one important thing about going to J-20A with WS-10 engines. The WS-10C is TVC, meaning that the Chinese can now get extensive experience in operating TVC craft of their own design.

The thing is, if you look at the J-20, its strakes and tailfins aren't entirely necessary once it has TVC. The J-20, in its present design, is likely not going to be as stealthy as other 5th gens, given the combination of the canards, the ventral strakes, and the tailfins. Put another way, if you look at the F-22 or Su-57, the latter two aircraft have 3 separate planes, composed of the main wing, and the tailfins. The J-20, in contrast, has either 4 or 6 separate planes, depending on how you count the ventral strakes and tailfins. By removing the tailfins and ventral strakes, however, you go from 4-6 to only 2 planes, made up of a wing and its opposite canard.

Dunno, one big problem is that this would create a loss of yaw control, cancelled out partially by the existence of canards. There probably would be a need for a quadruple rear aileron, as in the X-36 and the B-2 bomber, but that creates further issues with edge alignment.
 

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As for the J-20, I'll mention that one important thing about going to J-20A with WS-10 engines. The WS-10C is TVC, meaning that the Chinese can now get extensive experience in operating TVC craft of their own design.

Pretty sure WS-10C is a variant without TVC...


The thing is, if you look at the J-20, its strakes and tailfins aren't entirely necessary once it has TVC. The J-20, in its present design, is likely not going to be as stealthy as other 5th gens, given the combination of the canards, the ventral strakes, and the tailfins. Put another way, if you look at the F-22 or Su-57, the latter two aircraft have 3 separate planes, composed of the main wing, and the tailfins. The J-20, in contrast, has either 4 or 6 separate planes, depending on how you count the ventral strakes and tailfins. By removing the tailfins and ventral strakes, however, you go from 4-6 to only 2 planes, made up of a wing and its opposite canard.

Dunno, one big problem is that this would create a loss of yaw control, cancelled out partially by the existence of canards. There probably would be a need for a quadruple rear aileron, as in the X-36 and the B-2 bomber, but that creates further issues with edge alignment.

Not this tailless J-20 thing again... :confused:
 

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WS-10C seems to refer to the J-11B engines. So closer to 137 kN.

well, they say "Newly produced J-11B jets will be powered by the WS-10C, but engines on the current 120 J-11Bs won't be totally replaced due to the high cost, Xu Yongling said."
if the article and the tv show it is quoting is actually made by competent people, it would suggest that newly produced J-11Bs are using WS-10C; whereas older J-11Bs would of course have been using WS-10A.


In any case, I don't think J-11Bs produced since the mid/late 2000s were using WS-10C considering that designation/variant has only come into play recently.
 

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First 120 j11b were produced by 2011 or so, no? Would that mean that later ones might have newer engines?
 

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Coincidentally, if I'm remembering right that might be around the same time as we noticed those new "shorter" Taihangs.


Are they really shorter? I thought they were noticable on their darker colour.
 
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