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Two attack submarines sent to private shipyards for routine maintenance availabilities are running a few months behind schedule. But the Navy hopes that using these new-construction yards for sub-maintenance on a regular basis will help them become reliable providers of on-time maintenance.

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, which prioritize ballistic-missile submarines and aircraft carriers above the SSNs. After several high-profile examples of SSNs sitting pierside for months and years while awaiting space at the yards to open up, the Navy opted to send USS Montpelier (SSN-765) to General Dynamics Electric Boat and USS Helena (SSN-725), USS Columbus (SSN-762) and USS Boise (SSN-764) to Huntington Ingalls’ Newport News Shipbuilding.

“The skill set required to do maintenance is different than it is for new construction, so when you give them repair work after they haven’t had repair work in a while, and you expect them to immediate perform like a Swiss watch, you find they’re challenged to do that. EB’s been challenged with Montpelier, we’re going to be late there, and Newport News is being challenged on Helena, we’re going to be a little late there,” Naval Sea Systems Command Commander Vice Adm. Tom Moore said today at a House Armed Services readiness subcommittee hearing.
“Some of that’s because we haven’t built that proficiency up, and so the Navy’s having discussions that maybe it would be in our best interest to, on a regular basis, keep some submarine repair work in the private sector not only as a relief valve for the public yards as we level-load them, but also to establish that proficiency level so that when we do get ourselves into a crisis we’ve got a partner over there that’s performed that work on a regular basis that can do that going forward.”

Moore told USNI News after the hearing that Montpelier and Helena were set to undergo six-month maintenance availabilities, and both are running a few months behind. However, he noted that Newport News’ second sub to repair, Columbus, is running on time right now.

Asked if there was a particular type of work or portion of the maintenance that was causing the delays, Moore said, “it’s not a particular trade, I just think it’s a proficiency issue. There’s a significant difference between submarine construction and submarine repair, so yards don’t have that proficiency. Newport News, they have an opportunity here because they got three submarines, so they’re going to finish with Helena and then they’re going to go on to Columbus, which is on time, and then they’re going to get Boise. So I think you’ll see, like anything else, the proficiency will get better. … We probably ought to consider looking at more opportunity to, on a regular basis, give some opportunity to do [repair work] too to keep the proficiency up.”

Moore said during the hearing that NAVSEA was looking at the submarine and aircraft carrier maintenance workloads for Fiscal Years 2020 and 2021 right now, both at the public yards and at Electric Boat and Newport News.
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that the private yards would be taking on more repair work, and he told the lawmakers today that a decision would be made soon regarding the specifics of to accomplish that. Moore said after the hearing that he’s working those details with Navy leadership now and expects a decision within the next six months.

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, Moore told the lawmakers, “I think we learned a pretty hard lesson on Boise, which was we waited too late in the game to make that decision. … We need to look two to three years or more out, because I have a pretty good sense of what workload I need and what I have in the public shipyards, and where I have workload peaks, instead of waiting until the last second to see if we can hang on to the work ourselves, I think it makes sense for us to go ahead and let’s provide ourselves some additional capacity by putting the work in the private sector.”
 
Apr 27, 2018
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now the story goes on as 'Space Force' Idea Isn't Dead, Intel Chief Says
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and 'Space Force' Study to Be Ready by August: DoD Official
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and here's the twist:
Trump orders creation of independent space force

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President Donald Trump on Monday signed an executive order directing the Pentagon to create a new ”Space Force,” a move that could
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the U.S. military by pulling space functions variously owned by the
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into a single independent service.


“I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a Space Force as the sixth branch of the armed forces,” Trump said during a meeting of the National Space Council.

“That’s a big statement. We are going to have the Air Force and we are going to have the Space Force. Separate but equal. It is going to be something. So important,” Trump added. “General Dunford, if you would carry that assignment out, I would be very greatly honored.”

Dunford responded in the affirmative, telling Trump, “We got you.”

According to a White House pool report, the president signed the executive order establishing the Space Force at about 12:36 p.m. EST.

Trump’s support for creating a separate branch for space is a break from his own adminsitration’s stance last year, as well as that of Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis.

“At a time when we are trying to integrate the Department’s joint warfighting functions, I do not wish to add a separate service that would likely present a narrower and even parochial approach to space operations vice an integrated one we’re constructing under our current approach,” Mattis wrote in a 2017
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But in recent months, Trump has signaled he was intrigued by the idea of a stand alone space force, saying in a
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that “We’re actually thinking of a sixth” military branch for space.

Trump’s announcement tracks with the Pentagon’s interim report on whether to establish an independent space corps, which Deputy Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan
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to be wrapped up on June 1. The final report, which would be sent to Congress, is due in August.

The Pentagon and Air Force did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

Trump’s announcement was characteristically vague, but experts say that any new branch would have to come through an act of Congress.

“The Congress alone has the power to establish a new branch of the military and to establish the positions of senior executive officials to lead such a department,” said Jonathan Turley, a professor at Georgetown University’s law school who has studied constitutional issues relating to the military. “While the Pentagon can informally create study or working groups, it has no such authority.”

The president can have the military lay the groundwork for a future new branch, Turley said, which is close to what Trump seemed to be getting at.

“What the President can do is to order the study and proposal for a new branch, which would ultimately go to Congress of any authorization and appropriations,” he said.

Todd Harrison, an expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, agreed,
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Monday that “The president can't just create a new military service on his own. It requires congressional authorization..”

“So the near-term practical effect of all this is that the president can direct DoD to come up with a plan and start preparing to create a Space Force, but he still needs congress to authorize it,” Harrison continued.

Congress reacts

Trump’s announcement also left it unclear whether this new space force will rest under the Department of the Air Force — much like the Marine Corps is a component of the Department of the Navy — or whether a new “Department of the Space Force” will also be created.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., the head of the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee, tweeted out his support for Trump’s order. Rogers had previously proposed a separate space service as part of Congress’ annual defense policy bill.

However, lawmakers and experts also immediately registered their opposition to the announcement.

Sen. Bill Nelson, (D-Fla.), the top Democrat on the Senate Commerce Committee that oversees nonmilitary space programs, tweeted that now was not the right time to establish a separate space force.

Harrison noted that the infrastructure may already exist to smooth the creation of a space force.

“Creating a Space Force would not necessarily mean a huge increase in funding. We already have space forces within the military, this would just be reorganizing them under a single chain of command,” he tweeted. “Yes, there would be some extra overhead costs, but it doesn't have to be huge.”

But David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general and currently dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, questioned whether the administration had hammered down the details needed to successfully consolidate the military’s space functions into a single service.

“This is another case of ready, fire, aim,” he said.
pure fun to watch
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Apr 6, 2018
didn't know it's possible to say "... troops will be sent to help patrol the southern border in lieu of the border wall ...", I mean my English failed me LOL anyway National Guard Headed to Mexican Border Once Governors Approve
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and now Massachusetts governor: National Guard won’t go to border
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I'm not surprised (LOL)
 

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No. Right now there are some strict limitations imposed by the Outer space Treaty regarding weapons in space. Those few that are not banned are limited in capacity vs Cost to the point where it's just more practical to use conventional arms.
There are some abilities like ASAT but they are limited.
Most of the Duties this space force would take are observation and Communications.
 
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Apr 27, 2018
and here's the twist:
Trump orders creation of independent space force

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now the USNI News
Proposed Space Force Would Pull Expertise From All Service Branches
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The White House’s proposed military Space Force would likely rely heavily on existing personnel from inside the Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force and Army, plus a host of other intelligence agencies, experts told USNI News on Monday.


The Space Force was announced by President Trump on Monday. Trump’s directive doesn’t provide mission specifics, but
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suggests the Space Force would be charged with protecting both commercial and government assets in space.

“As space becomes increasingly contested, the demand for the Department of Defense to focus on protecting U.S. space assets and interests also increases. At the same time, the rapid commercialization of space requires a traffic management framework that protects U.S. interests and considers the private sector’s needs,” the directive reads.

But before the proposed sixth branch of the military is formed, Congress needs to approve legislation and the Department of Defense would have to iron out the fine details, according to a Monday afternoon statement from Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White.

“We understand the President’s guidance,” she said. “Our policy board will begin working on this issue, which has implications for intelligence operations for the Air Force, Army, Marines and Navy. Working with Congress, this will be a deliberate process with a great deal of input from multiple stakeholders.”

The Pentagon also has to do the homework of creating Space Force theory, doctrine and strategy, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula, dean of the Mitchell Institute of Aerospace Power Studies, told USNI News on Monday.

“Creation of an independent Space Force may be the future, but right now it’s premature,” Deptula said.

The last time an independent service branch was created was when the Air Force was split off from the Army after World War II in 1947. By the time the Air Force was created, its leadership had spent two decades between WWI and WWII developing an air power strategy and new technology. During WWII, the then-Army Air Corps continued to refine and implement strategy and technology.

Today with space, developing military strategy hasn’t hasn’t happened to the same degree, Deptula said. As for the technology required for a Space Force to be effective, it’s still very much in the developmental phase.

“I’m all for missile defense using directed energy weapons in space to take out ballistic missiles,” Deptula said. “It’s a great idea, but we’re not there yet.”

Military planners likely have some time to develop the Space Force theory, doctrine, and strategy, since Congress doesn’t appear close to approving the branch, Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, told USNI News.

“To really create a Space Force you need legislation, and the legislation appears stalled,” Clark said.

At the pace Congress operates, Clark said it’s unlikely that anything more than a broad proposal could be approved this year, and that might be a stretch. At best, he said the soonest legislation could be approved creating the new branch would be in 2019.

If passed, Congress would likely leave the organizational details for the Pentagon to iron out. Maybe some new flag officer billets would be created by legislation, but their job descriptions would probably be developed at the Pentagon. Even determining the rank structure — a Navy/Coast Guard model using admirals, or an Army/Air Force model using generals — would come from the Pentagon, Clark said.

The process used by the Department of Defense to establish U.S. Cyber Command provides a possible model, Clark said. Each service branch has cyber experts, and they were pulled together to form the new command. A new Space Force would likely do something similar, pulling in personnel from jobs with an existing space focus.

“Appropriators [in Congress] would decide how much money, and the Department of Defense would decide what duties would be moved to Space Force,” Clark said.

Deptula thinks the Space Force will be created in the future, but he is not sure the Congress has the drive to create the force.

“We can’t even recapitalize the geriatric forces we have inside the Air Force, so where is this extra money going to come from?” Deptula said.
 

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Captain
No. Right now there are some strict limitations imposed by the Outer space Treaty regarding weapons in space. Those few that are not banned are limited in capacity vs Cost to the point where it's just more practical to use conventional arms.
There are some abilities like ASAT but they are limited.
Most of the Duties this space force would take are observation and Communications.

Currently, it'll be a waste of money, effort and time, especially with the armed forces recovering from the sequestration mess and transitioning to great power competition.

A space force would make sense in 20 years, but at current technology readiness levels right now, it's like building a USAF with jurisdiction over all aircraft, in 1921.
 
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and the story of 'Space Force or no Space Force' goes on as
Trump orders creation of independent space force - but Congress will still have its say
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President Donald Trump on Monday appeared to sign an executive order directing the Pentagon to create a new ”Space Force,” a move that could
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the U.S. military by pulling space functions variously owned by the
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into a single independent service.

But while the president’s support for a new military branch is notable, experts -- and a powerful member of Congress -- believe Trump still needs the support of Congress to make a space force happen.

“I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a Space Force as the sixth branch of the armed forces,” Trump said during a meeting of the National Space Council.

“That’s a big statement. We are going to have the Air Force and we are going to have the Space Force. Separate but equal. It is going to be something. So important,” Trump added. “General Dunford, if you would carry that assignment out, I would be very greatly honored.”

Dunford responded in the affirmative, telling Trump, “We got you.”

According to a White House pool report, the president signed the executive order establishing the Space Force at about 12:36 p.m. EST.

However, a readout issued from the White House later that day of the executive order contained no language related to the creation of a new military branch, leaving open the question of whether Trump has actually issued formal guidance to the military.

The Air Force referred all questions to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, which did not respond immediately to requests for comment.

However, a defense official, speaking on background, said “The Joint Staff will work closely with the Office of the Secretary of Defense, other DoD stakeholders and the Congress to implement the President's guidance."

Trump’s support for creating a separate branch for space is a break from his own adminsitration’s stance last year, as well as that of Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis.

“At a time when we are trying to integrate the Department’s joint warfighting functions, I do not wish to add a separate service that would likely present a narrower and even parochial approach to space operations vice an integrated one we’re constructing under our current approach,” Mattis wrote in a 2017
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.

But in recent months, Trump has signaled he was intrigued by the idea of a stand alone space force, saying in a
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that “We’re actually thinking of a sixth” military branch for space.

At the time, that statement
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who had publicly opposed the creation of a separate space service, leading them to adopt a softer tone when talking about the potential for Space Force to avoid being seen as out of step with Trump.

This time, however, Trump’s announcement tracks with the Pentagon’s schedule for an interim report on whether to establish an independent space corps. Deputy Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan
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to be wrapped up on June 1. The final report, which would be sent to Congress, is due in August.

Trump’s announcement was characteristically vague, but experts say that any new branch would have to come through an act of Congress.

“The Congress alone has the power to establish a new branch of the military and to establish the positions of senior executive officials to lead such a department,” said Jonathan Turley, a professor at Georgetown University’s law school who has studied constitutional issues relating to the military. “While the Pentagon can informally create study or working groups, it has no such authority.”

The president can have the military lay the groundwork for a future new branch, Turley said, which is close to what Trump seemed to be getting at.

“What the President can do is to order the study and proposal for a new branch, which would ultimately go to Congress of any authorization and appropriations,” he said.

Todd Harrison, an expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, agreed,
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Monday that “The president can't just create a new military service on his own. It requires congressional authorization..”

“So the near-term practical effect of all this is that the president can direct DoD to come up with a plan and start preparing to create a Space Force, but he still needs congress to authorize it,” Harrison continued.

And while sources on Capitol Hill said they believe Trump does have the authority to establish the new military branch, and that their attention will now turn to funding and missions for the new Space Force, at least one Republican member of Congress made his stance clear.

“Establishing a service branch requires congressional action,” House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee chair Mike Turner, R-Ohio. “We still don’t know what a Space Force would do, who is going to be in it, or how much is it going to cost.

“The congressionally mandated report evaluating a Space Force to answer those questions is due in August,” Turner added. “After we get the report that we required as a legislative body and the President signed off on, then this issue can be appropriately evaluated for what’s best for national security.”

Congress reacts

Trump’s announcement also left it unclear whether this new space force will rest under the Department of the Air Force — much like the Marine Corps is a component of the Department of the Navy — or whether a new “Department of the Space Force” will also be created.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., the head of the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee, tweeted out his support for Trump’s order. Rogers had previously proposed a separate space service as part of Congress’ annual defense policy bill.

However, lawmakers and experts also immediately registered their opposition to the announcement.

Sen. Bill Nelson, (D-Fla.), the top Democrat on the Senate Commerce Committee that oversees nonmilitary space programs, tweeted that now was not the right time to establish a separate space force.

Harrison noted that the infrastructure may already exist to smooth the creation of a space force.

“Creating a Space Force would not necessarily mean a huge increase in funding. We already have space forces within the military, this would just be reorganizing them under a single chain of command,” he tweeted. “Yes, there would be some extra overhead costs, but it doesn't have to be huge.”

But David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general and currently dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, questioned whether the administration had hammered down the details needed to successfully consolidate the military’s space functions into a single service.

“This is another case of ready, fire, aim,” he said.
 
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