F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

... IF the F35 is flying in contested Airspace probing it would be silent running. Stealthy defencive weapons load using its sensors to feed targeting data to naval assets beyond the horizon.
Link 16 in this mode would be screaming HERE I AM COME ON KILL ME!!!
so Advanced Super Hornet, F-35 Face Stealth Dilemma
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As the U.S.
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expands its aircraft fleet with the fourth-generation
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and fifth-gen
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, a challenge remains: How will the jets connect and share information without sacrificing stealth?

Boeing Co. on Wednesday showcased its Block III Super Hornet, which comes with a larger variety of weapons, extended range, advanced targeting and sensor systems, and better fuel efficiency, among other enhancements. The company noted the Block III isn't meant to be a direct competitor to the F-35 Lightning II; it's meant to be its partner.
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The Super Hornet and F-35 “are the Navy's two frontline fighters, and will be for decades to come," said Dan Gillian, manager of F/A-18 and
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programs at Boeing.

Yet the two aircraft currently don't have a way to communicate without compromising the F-35's stealth.

"For sure, that is part of the roadmap, and how do we get that right?" said Capt. David Kindley, F/A-18 and EA-18G program manager. Kindley briefed reporters at Boeing's facilities in Arlington, Virginia, on Wednesday, alongside officials who lead the program.

"It's fairly a statement of the obvious: F-35's challenge is they need to stay sneaky, and they need to transmit. Those can be [incompatible] to each other. So how do we solve that? So we're trying to offer as many options as we can to plug into, and we're talking about this going forward," he said.

Even if the F/A-18 -- now undergoing modifications to give it upgraded stealth capabilities -- is a little less detectable from enemy radar, the F-35 would likely lead the charge in a heavy surface-to-air missile environment.

"We're not going to send Super Hornets into the heart of an IADS [Integrated Air Defense System]," Kindley said. "But that's always a trade-off we're going to have to work on."

Fifth-generation platforms like the F-35 use the Link 16 datalink to transfer information to fourth-gen counterparts. But the F-35 also internally operates on its Multifunction Advanced Data Link system, known as MADL.

"There's a whole discussion ongoing within [the Defense Department] on
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," said Bob Kornegay, senior manager of business development for the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G at Boeing.

Interoperability is at the heart of how a strike wing will operate in the future, Kindley added.

Boeing will deliver its first test Block III jets to the Navy in 2019, with a production line starting sometime in 2020, Gillian said.

The Navy intends to have Boeing convert more than 500 of its Block II jets and produce 116 new Block IIIs by 2024. The new jets' first
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is expected sometime in 2022.

When asked whether President Donald Trump's involvement has given the defense firm confidence, Boeing officials said Block III has been in discussion "for some time."

"The president's engagement has certainly brought energy and drive to [this] discussion," Gillian said.

Trump in recent months has repeatedly cited a desire to see Boeing build a stealthy F/A-18 Super Hornet and potentially scale back F-35 production from competitor Lockheed Martin Corp.

"It's the collection of things together: next-generation fighter, we've delivered 100 percent of our airplanes on time, on cost, and that resonates with this administration," Gillian said.
 
Apr 27, 2018
interestingly, US senators introduce bill to block F-35 delivery to Turkey

26 April, 2018
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now Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
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has vowed reprisals if the U.S. Congress passes a defense policy bill that prevents the sale of
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fighter jets to Ankara.

The Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday passed its version of the $716 billion
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with language that directs the Pentagon to submit a plan to Congress to remove the NATO ally from participation in the F-35 program.

“According to agreement, everybody has a mission and we expect everyone to fulfill these missions,” said Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Hami Aksoy,
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reports. “Such steps are breach of the spirit of our alliance with the U.S. As our minister stated, if such steps are taken, we will have no other choice but to respond accordingly.”

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said earlier this month the country would retaliate, after the House version of the NDAA was unveiled. That bill contains a broader prohibition on any foreign military sales to Turkey until the Pentagon reports to Congress on the impact of U.S.-Turkey tensions.

The Senate approved its version of the massive bill after meeting behind closed doors this week, but the text of the bill itself is not expected for about another week. The panel was steered by its No. 2 Republican, Sen. Jim Inhofe, of Oklahoma, as its chairman, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was battling brain cancer at home in Arizona.

The NDAA is several steps from becoming law. The House passed its version earlier Thursday, and the Senate must pass its version before the two are reconciled over the summer into a final bill for both chambers to pass.

One provision in the SASC-passed NDAA says the Senate believes Turkey should be sanctioned if it completes the purchase of the S-400 long-range air and anti-missile defense system from Russia.

Separate language from Sens. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., and James Lankford, R-Okla., targets the F-35 sale. It directs a report with timelines to remove the Turkish government from participation in the F-35 program with the least impact on other international program partners.

The lawmakers cited Turkey’s imprisonment of American Pastor Andrew Brunson as well as the S-400 deal. Turkish officials have said the purchase is a matter of national sovereignty, but NATO members have expressed concerns because the S-400 is not interoperable with NATO systems.

“I truly wish we could instead be working to pass an NDAA that would strengthen the relationship between Turkey and the United States,” Tillis said. “However, the Turkish government’s recent actions, including the wrongful treatment of Pastor Brunson, has made this congressional response both necessary and appropriate.”

“There is tremendous hesitancy [about] transferring sensitive F-35 planes and technology to a nation who has purchased a Russian air defense system designed to shoot these very planes down,” Shaheen said in a statement. “This amendment is meant to give the Departments of State and Defense the guidance and congressional support they need to ensure that this does not happen at this time.”

The congressional action comes as the Trump administration pressures Ankara to rethink the S-400 purchase, which was announced in December.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo testified Thursday on Capitol Hill that he had spoken with Cavuşoğlu in recent days to push for Brunson’s return and implore Ankara not to buy the S-400.

Turkey’s capacity to access the F-35, he said, “is still very much a live issue.”

U.S. Ambassador to NATO Kay Bailey Hutchison called the purchase “very serious” at a public forum on Wednesday.

“They’re a very important partner,” she said of Turkey. “But no partner in NATO has ever purchased a Russian system that is not capable of being interoperable with our NATO systems.”
 
May 1, 2018
got the feeling the narrative changes from 'capabilities' to 'sustainment' (it'd be funny if I was right, because F-35 capabilities are unproven, not independently tested), anyway Air Force acquisition exec: To reduce F-35 sustainment cost, focus on agile software
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related is

"On the Joint Strike Fighter, the bill supports all 20 F-35B Marine Corps variants but cuts one F-35C carrier variant, allowing just eight instead of the Navy’s request for nine. The staff said one Navy and one Air Force variant were cut, with that funding being moved to support program sustainment instead of new procurement."

quote from inside of Senators Want More Details on 2-Carrier Buy, LCS Requirement Before Supporting Additional Shipbuilding Funds
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bd popeye

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Give it a rest Jura.. the F-35B is forward deployed by the USMC..

Marine Aircraft Group 12 forces deployed several F-35B Lightning ll's for a regularly scheduled aviation training relocation at Misawa Air Base, Japan, May 9, 2018. ATR's are designed to increase operational readiness and bilateral interoperability for both U.S. and Japanese forces. The MAG-12 ATR is a concrete example of the strength of the U.S.-Japan alliance - the foundation of peace and security in the Indo-Pacific for more than 50 years. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Alexia Lythos)

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bd popeye

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got the feeling the narrative changes from 'capabilities' to 'sustainment' (it'd be funny if I was right, because F-35 capabilities are unproven, not independently tested)

Someone needs to tell the Israeli Air Force that their F-35s are "unproven"...

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Yes there are articles making counterclaims to the missions of the IAF F-35s.
 

dtulsa

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I'm of the same opinion as Jura the f35 it' pretty much useless cept for all the money that' been spent and made of off it time will tell who is right on this though I guess almost guaranteed if it got into a real out and out dogfight even it's most ardent supporters would say it would come in 2nd place due to a number of reasons especially against peer stealth aircraft
 

ougoah

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Can you explain why you have that opinion? I don't think so.

Also there are no peer stealth fighters to the F-35. J-20 is not designed for the same role. Su-57 ditto.
 

dtulsa

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I'm of the same opinion as Jura the f35 it' pretty much useless cept for all the money that' been spent and made of off it time will tell who is right on this though I guess almost guaranteed if it got into a real out and out dogfight even it's most ardent supporters would say it would come in 2nd place due to a number of reasons especially against peer stealth aircraft
In fact even Lockmart states air supierorty or dominance is not a primary requirement but rather it' s secondary to it' strike and sensor fusion intelligence missions another way of saying it' not a dogfighter
 
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