PLA 6th generation fighter thread

Twix101

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There is ongoing chatter that 611 Institute has started preliminary studies for a 6th generation fighter.

Other nations our group of nations pursuing such researches are US (F/A-XX ), Russia (Mig-41), Europe (FCAS) and Japan (F-3 fighter).

The programme hasn't been named yet.

Thread will cover News, Updates and discussion about China's 6th generation fighter.
 

mys_721tx

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Searching the term "成飞 六代" yields some rumors that surfaced early December this year. Those Chinese sources (
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) cite the Diplomat that there are a 6th gen fighter in development and spend the rest of the article talking about a stealth-variant of J-11B. Additionally, searching "the diplomat chinese sixth generation" yields results mostly about General Secretary Xi, not a fighter aircraft. The validity of the Chinese reports are questionable at best.

Searching the term "611所 六代" yields a
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on this kind of reports. It claims that J-28 is a single engine spacecraft capable of intercepting missiles hauling toward the Sun. It is quite funny though.
 

Klon

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with Yang Wei (via
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). He talks about the past, present and future of fighter development in China.
Posting the relevant parts.
Our "Freedom Kingdom" is not reconciled to listening to others

"From what other people did before, we need to do what we need to do after today's national strategy." Yang Wei said that we have moved from the "imperative kingdom" to the "free kingdom."

In Yang Wei’s view, the so-called “free kingdom” begins with strategic needs, has its own strategic goals and equipment development lines, and does its own creation without reference to others or even without precedent, and has more technical confidence. And develop self-confidence.

“In the past, we often had to understand what other people did. We were confident that we could do it with others. But now we have achieved self-transcendence. Even though the scientific principles, technical foundations, and equipment manufacturing technologies on which we base are all common, we The demand is unique and our technology line is independent." Yang Wei said, in fact, it has become someone else to study how we will go next. "This is also my previous goal, to make you worthy of opponent research. Not worthy of rival research, but also what kind of game?!"

“The Kingdom of Freedom” has created a habit of thinking. It does not follow blindly, does not meet people's expectations, has its own independent thinking, and has the courage to haul and explore demand strategies and development routes. It also strives with determination and determination. Yang Wei said that since we have identified our strategic needs and identified the future war model, we will use our equipment to prepare for my gameplay. “The military game standard setting party will not be constant, and we cannot be satisfied or willing to listen. Others tell stories, why can we not pursue the future fighter planes from our China to formulate standards?!"

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What is the next generation fighter?

We are always full of curiosity about the future. What is the next generation fighter? Yang Wei replied that as the next generation fighter, it must be a mechanized, informative, and intelligent assembly. He believes that the "4S" characteristics of the four generations of aircraft previously proposed by the United States, namely, "stealth, supersonic cruise, over-stall maneuvers, and integrated information systems" are not a normative statement. At present, there are four generations of aircraft in the United States, Russia, and China. However, the weighting of each feature is inconsistent. This also shows that the development ideas of the various companies are not the same. He said that in the future game, mechanization will inevitably encounter a “can”. It must be able to get through this “can” before there is a “little blossom”. It is a foundation, but after this “can”, mechanization The contribution of the entire war effectiveness is not as great as it used to be. In fact, the core is information and intelligence.

"I think the next generation of fighter jets should be on a higher mechanized platform and more in pursuit of informationization, especially intelligence." Yang Wei said that when studying a new aircraft, it is still more necessary to consider platforms because information Wherever they are used and intelligent, they do not need to re-create a shell. The core must also have a clear and well-organized combination of mechanization, informatization, and intelligence.

Intelligent Trend of Equipment: "Net +" and "System +"

Regarding the doubt that “the next generation of main battle equipment will have no platform,” Yang Wei believes that intelligence has two meanings. One is to help people, and the other is to replace people. To help people, you can still be someone. The substitute talent is none. people. As far as “nobody” is concerned, the level of intelligence can range from “stupid” to “smart”. No remote control aircraft is a drone, but a drone is not an unmanned aircraft in our future sense. Yang Wei said that he personally is not inclined to stress that there is nobody or anyone. The core is the ability of intelligence and the level of autonomy. Man-machine hybrid intelligence will definitely play a better role in a certain period.


He believes that aviation weapons and equipment should continue to promote "three". We must continue to develop mechanization. Mechanization is the basis of equipment and development is endless; we must fully develop informatization, and informatization is the multiplier of weapons effectiveness. It is playing a decisive role in today’s war; we must innovate and break through intelligence. , is to achieve the curve overtaking, across the development of the goal. At present, China’s AI field is developing rapidly and “AI+” is also constantly creating new development ecology. Yang Wei believes that this has also triggered some changes in the military field and has provided us with more development directions and guidance. “Net+” "System +" will be the breakthrough point for innovation in equipment development.

Who is the first to break through first?

Turning to innovation, Yang Wei said that the national defense industry is actually a gaming industry. It is necessary to use more advanced equipment to safeguard national sovereignty and development rights. The advanced nature of equipment is reflected in the need to make breakthroughs in the opponents of the game and gain an upper hand in the defense industry. The necessity and influence of innovation, as well as its ultimate role, are even greater than those of other industries. Its development process or development momentum is more impor- tant, and the development results are most obvious.

Focusing on the aviation industry, Yang Wei analyzed that the first tier is still led by the United States. Whether it is military aircraft, civil aircraft or special aircraft, the United States has a strong science and technology and economic base; the second tier is China, Russia and Europe. After so many years of hard work in the field of military aircraft in our country, especially in the field of fighter jets, we have gradually leapt to the front of the second echelon. This is gradually being recognized by the world. The civil aircraft is still in the process of catching up, while research in aviation-related basic fields is near. The trend has been relatively good for several years. Whether it is basic theory, specific equipment and materials, craftsmanship, manufacturing techniques, etc., we are now moving up; the third echelon is other countries. Yang Wei said that although there is still a certain gap between us and the first tier, we are speeding up and trying our best to catch up with all of our efforts and strive to achieve even the best in the near future.

"Only by insisting on innovative thinking can we continue to lead us to achieve our strategic goals." Yang Wei believes that the most urgent need to solve is to adopt different strategies in various sub-sectors. Not only must it be innovative in terms of technology, but more importantly, it must be equipped. Development lines, equipment settings, game modes, and other comprehensive innovations.

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ougoah

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6th gen will require much better engines and engine technologies than those available today. Either sticking with turbofan tech or completely new methods of propulsion. Either way, existing 5th gen parameters will need to be improved. If unmanned or optioned as such, new airframes are almost definite. Better construction methods, materials, stress limits, greater temperature ranges from rapid accelerations and quickly varying altitudes. All of these on top of the "software" and sensors. 6th gen needs to be different and significantly better in every way to justify its distinction. Much like how F-22 is significantly better in almost every conceivable parameter over F-15 (except costs of course). The more I think about it, the more I feel airframe of 6th gen should be considerably different especially if unmanned.
 

SinoSoldier

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The following article may hint that China is developing a very-high-speed low-observable aircraft. The document talks about research into a heat-resistant stealth radome.

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发布时间:2018-04- 10
信息来源: 中国航天科工三院

近日,中国航天科工三院306所承担研制的某型耐高温隐身天线罩顺利通过了风洞试验考核。
该天线罩为三院内首型耐高温双频透波/隐身天线罩,透波/隐身一体化设计方案复杂,电性能要求高,同时必须承受高温和高载荷使用环境,研制难度很大。
通过多轮电性能和强度的设计及试验验证,创新性提出非对称性结构FSS屏隐身天线罩结构方案,既保证了天线罩透波/隐身功能的一体化,又解决了薄壁结构天线罩高温高压承载能力弱的难题。
随着天线罩风洞试验考核顺利通过,标志着306所在耐高温透波/隐身天线罩设计、研制取得重大进展,为后续型号研制打下了坚实的基础。(文/卢中远)
 
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