CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Jeff Head

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I've been reading through the new thread started by that "PB19980515" guy. 2019 according to him will be a major, major year for the PLAN aviation wing.

Things to be revealed include:
1. J-XY 5th generation fighter (carrier-based)
2. Upgraded J-15 (with J-16 avionics and ability to datalink with J-20)
3. EW version of the J-15
4. KJ-600

All four will be making their maiden flights near the end of 2019, if we go by what PB says.

P.S. 2019 will also be a major year for the space & PLAAF sectors, with the expected maiden launch of the CZ-5B, and appearance of H-XX and JF-17 Block III.
Those will be amazing achievements...and I believe we will see even more.
 

Jeff Head

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Jura here it is nothing new just the old one
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The program of the Chinese nuclear aircraft carrier in sight?

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Is China developing a new nuclear aircraft carrier program? If the answer to the question seems to be both logical and trivial, given the growing importance of maritime interests to fuel the "rebirth" of the country and the technological rise in all-out power observed over the last 10 years, no evidence rendered public does not confirm this one so far.

But an article published last Tuesday on the website of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC), one of the two major Chinese public shipbuilding conglomerates with China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), has just brought a clear touch to the question.

Indeed, in the first edition of this text entitled "New trip, new plan. What should CSIC do in this new era of high quality development? (新 征程, 新 谋划! 高质量 发展 的 新 时代, 中 船 重工 应该 怎么 干? 纲要 明晰 前进 方向) - which is no longer accessible (
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/329502.htm) but that we have registered a copy before it is reissued - the word "nuclear aircraft carrier" has been at the top of the list of several major equipments to be developed to achieve the "strategic transformation of the Chinese navy by 2025 ".

实现加快核动力航母 ,新型核潜艇,安静型潜艇,水下无人智能对抗体系,水下立体攻防体系和海战场综合电子信息系统等攻关突破,增强基于网络信息体系的联合作战能力,全域作战能力,为海军2025年实现走向深蓝远海的战略转型提供高质量武器装备.

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The article published on the site of the CSIC group, before and after the reshuffle (Image: CSIC, East Pendulum)

Although the Chinese shipbuilding group quickly
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, which contains the keywords like "nuclear aircraft carrier", "new nuclear submarine", "sub-nuclear" "diesel-powered", "Unmanned underwater intelligent global system", "Multi-dimensional global anti-submarine warfare system" and "Integrated information system for the naval battlefield", but many have already had the time to capture this vital information.

The Japanese Minister of Defense Itsunori Onodera, for example, has now expressed his concern about the news last Friday in front of the journalists. He said that China has increased its air and sea activities on neighboring areas, with a rapidly reinforced military capacity, but these lack transparency. His speech was relayed by several Japanese media including
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A model of "future aircraft carrier", exhibited in a military museum of the Chinese army (Photos: PLANAVYCHN)

If this pseudo-confirmation of the existence of the Chinese nuclear aircraft carrier program seems surprising at first glance, this is not the case in reality since the nuclear aircraft carrier has always been part of the program of Chinese aircraft carriers and this since August 2004.

According to "Project 048" (also read 04.8 for August 2004) which defines the main framework in which the Chinese navy acquires aircraft carriers, the nuclear aircraft carrier consists of the third and final step after the transformation of the aircraft carrier. an existing STOBAR aircraft carrier (formerly Varyag which now becomes Liaoning ), and the development of a conventional propelled CATOBAR.

With the first two steps being actively underway today, with the ramp-up of the Liaoningaircraft carrier 16 and the construction of a second STOBAR aircraft carrier at Dalian, the more the construction preparation of a third Chinese aircraft carrier in CATOBAR in Shanghai, it is therefore quite logical that the Chinese have started studies for their future nuclear aircraft carrier program.

As for the question as to why it is the CSIC that makes such an announcement, the answer is just as trivial since it is in this Chinese shipbuilding group that we find the largest main shipbuilding firm of the country's surface warfare (the 701 Institute) and also the only major naval nuclear propulsion engineering office (Institute 719).

For the moment, it is unclear what shipyard will be involved in the construction of future Chinese nuclear aircraft carriers, given that both Dalian of the CSIC group and Jiangnan Changxing of the CSSC group have the capacity and skills to carry them out. But it is not excluded that the construction can be assigned to both at the same time.

Today, almost no other public information is available on the status of the Chinese nuclear aircraft carrier program. Only sources close to the Chinese industrialists know that the ship or ships should equip "two large reactors specially developed" and not transformed since the submarine miniaturized reactors.

Given
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, it is quite plausible to think that these systems will also be used.

To be continued.
We'll see...but I believe they have made that model far to muchlike the Ford and its air wing.

A Ford type Island. X-47B like drones. A J-20 carrier type (which I believe will not come about, though I do believe the PLAN will ultimately have a carrier based 5th gen aircraft.

The PLAN, IMHO, is going to produce two conventionally powere CVs first, and ten years from now the second of those will already be commissioned and the first nuclear carrier may have been launched.

We shall see what it looks like then.

I believe it will look a lot like thier CATOBAR carriers, but a little larger and for sure with EMALS and nulear power...and they will build two of them. By the time the second one of those launches and is commissioned, I believe they will maintain that six carrier count, with the next one after that replacing the Liaoning when it reaches its end of life around 2042 or so.

Time will tell.
 

plawolf

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China may reportedly have EMALs on its CV-18 & -19:
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It'll be interesting to see if they build flattops or retain the sci-jumps with 2 CATs on their CVNs, like the Russian
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Personally, I think they will take a leaf from the UK QE2 class and design a removable ski ramp.

It will start off as a ski jump and cats hybrid, both to mitigate risk and also to allow them to continue using existing J15s.

But once the EMAL technology has been perfected and proven to be up to scratch, they can remove the ski jump and put in another pair of EMALs during a MLU or even special upgrade visit to the shipyard.

The first J15s would be pretty battered and nearing retirement, and any remaining hours could be spent at the land based training facility as they get replaced by newer cat capable J15s or future naval 5th gen on the carriers.
 

Yellow Submarine

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China may reportedly have EMALs on its CV-18 & -19:
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It'll be interesting to see if they build flattops or retain the sci-jumps with 2 CATs on their CVNs, like the Russian
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There have been conflicting reports about whether CV-18 and CV-19 will have steam cats or EMALS. Earlier reports claimed steam cats and fossil fueled steam turbines, but most of the newer reports claim EMALS and gas turbine powered IEP. There were reports shortly after the launch of CV-17 that construction of CV-18 was being delayed due to design changes but construction is now confirmed to be underway. Based on what I have read, my guess is that the PLAN originally intended to use steam cats and steam turbines for the Type 002 class but revised the design due to better than expected progress with their EMALS and IEP projects.
 

Yellow Submarine

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Continued from previous response to Tsavo Lion because I was having issues with the edit function:

According to Chinese news reports, the Type 002 class will have at least 3 cats, which suggests no bow ramp. From what I understand, the PLAN concluded based on its experiences with CV-16 that ramps have too many limitations and that cats are the way to go for the future. There were complaints that the J-15 was underperforming due to launch weight restrictions when using CV-16's ramp. So I don't believe the PLAN will use a bow ramp on any of its carrier designs after CV-17.
 

kwaigonegin

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Continued from previous response to Tsavo Lion because I was having issues with the edit function:

According to Chinese news reports, the Type 002 class will have at least 3 cats, which suggests no bow ramp. From what I understand, the PLAN concluded based on its experiences with CV-16 that ramps have too many limitations and that cats are the way to go for the future. There were complaints that the J-15 was underperforming due to launch weight restrictions when using CV-16's ramp. So I don't believe the PLAN will use a bow ramp on any of its carrier designs after CV-17.

I think that’s pretty much the assumption by most of us even from years ago.
The Kutz/Liaoning class is the last of its kind.
A big bird like flanker with high T/O weight is best suited for cat launch. Everyone and their grandma knows it. PLAN had to settled for a ‘lesser’ carrier and make the best out of it because they lacked the technical expertise then and NATO was not going to sell them one but you can bet their first true indigenous carrier will be a true full deck supercarrier. .
 
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