055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[antiterror13]

Indeed, not to mention the ships are necessary to absorb all that surplus of government subsidized steel which is going to be taxed in the US soon.

This also explains the surge of corvette and frigate production since smaller warships is also about subsidizing the smaller yards that can't make the bigger ships. And for that matter, the production of smaller warships is also about the efficient utilization of available shipyard capacity, which many are also small shipyards. If you have many small yards in your country, you are going to end up building warships that will fit inside them. Its also something I considered why China does not plan to make 6000 ton frigates --- it would require the same yards that do those 6000 to 8000 ton destroyers. But 4000 ton frigates are another thing, you can build them in smaller sheltered docks, along with the corvettes, auxilliaries, tugs, coast guard and patrol vessels.

Do you know how much steel China produce in a year? 832 million metric tons .. more than 8x of Japan or India or more than 10x of the USA

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And do you know how much steel used for Chinese navy in 2017? no more than 0.3 million metric tons or just 0.036% of total steel produced in China! ... so there is no impact at all !!!

Also to add, the type of steel used for warship is quite different than mild steel which is the most type produced

 

[plawolf]

Do you know how much steel China produce in a year? 832 million metric tons .. more than 8x of Japan or India

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And do you know how much steel used for Chinese navy in 2017? no more than 0.3 million metric tons or just 0.036% of total steel produced in China! ... so there is no impact at all !!!

Also to add, the type of steel used for warship is quite different than mild steel which is the most type produced

What do you think the Belt and Road imitative is all about?

 

[antiterror13]

What do you think the Belt and Road imitative is all about?

Exactly ..... OBOR is about to utilise Chinese manufacturing capacity, including steel and cement and so many others

 

[by78]

Indeed, not to mention the ships are necessary to absorb all that surplus of government subsidized steel which is going to be taxed in the US soon.

Did you know that US only imported less than one million metric tons of Chinese steel last year, about 3% of total imported steel by value? In fact, Taiwan, which is not exactly known for its steel industry, exported more steel to the U.S. than China did, at 4% of total value. South Korea accounted for around 10%, and Japan another 7% or so. Canada is by far the largest exporter of steel to the U.S..

 

[antiterror13]

Did you know that US only imported less than one million metric tons of Chinese steel last year, about 3% of total imported steel by value? In fact, Taiwan, which is not known for its steel industry, exported more steel to the U.S. than China did, at 4% of total value. South Korea accounted for around 10%, and Japan another 7% or so. Canada is by far the largest exporter of steel to the U.S..

yeahhh, the US market is getting less and less important to China ..... which is a great thing

 

[Tam]

You can't (or rather, shouldn't) subsidise yards indefinitely. This is not 2009. Today we are probably closer to the next global economic crisis than the preceding one. If the shipyards can't stand on their own two feet, then there are too many shipyards. We are not exactly talking about saving the last major yards in the nation to maintain strategically sensitive skillsets.

The Japanese, South Koreans and Europeans all continue to subsidize their ship building industries one way or another. Their subsidy policies contributed to the decline of US commercial ship production starting from the Sixties to the point that a few decades later...and continuing today, the only thing that keeps the few remaining US shipyards afloat are US Navy contracts. This boosts the costs of making a warship tremendously since you have to include the bill of the shipyard's continued survival to that contract. And this is a state of affairs that will last indefinitely.

The other thing the Chinese state and local governments don't like to see are strikes and unrest from ten of thousands of laid up shipyard related jobs along with banks that don't get paid.

Its not just China and the US. Around the world, every major warship contract is about trying to get the ships manufactured in their home soil. The Indonesian frigate contract, the Australian SEA500 frigate contract, the Canadian CSC frigate contract. Recently India just signed a contract with Russia for four frigates, two built by Russia and the other two in Indian shipyards. Jobs on British shipyards are words that are often mentioned when news about the contracts for the RN Type 26 and 31e frigates are concerned.

 

[Tam]

DL showing 2 x Type 055 and 1 x Type 052D

That 052D looks practically done. It looks finished and there is no external work being done on it, decks are empty and yet it has no pennant number. Like an empty warship waiting for its crew.

 

[nicky]

take a look at additional bottom section:


it's rather two more 055s

compare with the previous image posted this year: they did these three section in two months - incredible speed!!

 

[nicky]

terraserver proves this

 

[sanblvd]

Did you know that US only imported less than one million metric tons of Chinese steel last year, about 3% of total imported steel by value? In fact, Taiwan, which is not exactly known for its steel industry, exported more steel to the U.S. than China did, at 4% of total value. South Korea accounted for around 10%, and Japan another 7% or so. Canada is by far the largest exporter of steel to the U.S..

I was wondering why China was pretty much silent on Trump's metal tariff, but Canada, Korea and Europe is going crazy over it.