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Jeff Head

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Today at 2:02 PM

now what appears to be the official:
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IN addition to the US carrier, there is an Izumo class CVH, a Hyuga class CVH and a Kongo class DDG...along with a US Burke and a US Ticonderoga.

As I have siad many times, the JMSDF and the Korean Navy have good equipment and they exercise very regularly on their own and with the US.

Both of those navies are very squared away.
 

Jeff Head

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Jun 25, 2017
and now
Japan in Talks With U.S. on Buying Aegis Missile Defense



    • Pentagon is providing initial data on ground-based system
    • Trump said Abe will buy ‘massive amounts’ of U.S. weaponry
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Japan has AEGIS at sea and the BMD capability on the Atago vessels to intercept ballistic missiles. They also have the Patriot System on land.

Backing that up with AEGIS ashore will be a good move. If I were the Japanese I would also add THAADs in there so they have the full spectrum of coverage they need to intercept anything from North Korea,

The only part they will not have then i the very expensive BMD defenses the US uses on the west coast for very long range, exo-Atmosphere (in space) interception of the ICBMs...and Japan does not need that level of defense against North Korea.
 

Hendrik_2000

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well well If they didn't start it today. It will be 2027 before the first production jet coming off the assembly line. By then China will have hundred of J-20 or even more potent aircraft
Designing aircraft from scratch take a lot of money and perseverance few country can afford it. Not even the European
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Exclusive: Japan to delay multi-billion dollar fighter jet development - sources
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TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan will delay a decision to develop a new advanced fighter jet, four sources said, as military planners struggle to settle on a design and officials splash out on new U.S. equipment such as ballistic missile interceptors and F-35 stealth planes.

Faced with a growing military threat from North Korea and increased activity by Chinese air force jets over the East China Sea, Japan is under pressure to improve its defenses on two fronts.

Any delay to the new fighter, known as the F-3, will raise a question mark over the future of what could be one of the world’s most lucrative upcoming military contracts, estimated at more than $40 billion to develop and deploy.

A decision after the first half of 2018 would be too late for it to be included as a core program in a new five-year defense equipment plan beginning April 2019 that Japan will reveal at the end of next year.

“The direction is for the F-3 decision to be put back,” said one the sources who have knowledge of the discussion. The people who spoke to Reuters asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to talk to the media.

They said the decision, on whether to forge ahead as a domestic program or seek international collaboration, would now likely come after 2018.

“Regarding the F-3 decision, including whether we will delay a choice, we have haven’t come to any conclusion,” a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Defence Acquisition Technology & Logistics Agency said.


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Analysts estimate developing the F-3 could cost $40 billion, a figure described another source as an “initial cost.”

With a defense budget of around $50 billion that has increased in the past few years at just under an annual 1 percent, that outlay, even spread out over years of development, represents a major undertaking.

It would come at a time when Japan is spending a record amounts on U.S. equipment, including Lockheed Martin Corp’s F-35 jet, Raytheon defense missiles and Boeing Co and Textron Inc’s tilt-rotor Osprey troop aircraft.

In 2013, Japan procured 118 billion yen ($1 billion) of equipment through the U.S. government’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system. By last year, that outlay had quadrupled to 486 billion yen.

President Donald Trump in Tokyo last week called on Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to purchase additional U.S.-made weapons as his administration pushes Washington’s allies to contribute more to their joint defense.

DUAL ROLE
For now, that defense is focused on countering the threat posed by North Korean ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons.

Japan’s defense forces, however, want the F-3 to counter growing Chinese air power in the skies over the western Pacific and East China Sea where Tokyo and Beijing are locked in a territorial dispute.

Japanese fighters scrambled a record 806 times to intercept Chinese planes in the year that ended March 31.

A second role for the yet-to-be-built fighter is to reinforce Japan’s defense industry by giving Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) and its suppliers their first fighter jet program since Japan built its F-2 fighter two decades ago.


Mitsubishi Heavy, the maker of the World War Two-era Zero fighter, in January 2016 tested a prototype jet, the ATD-X. Developed for around $350 million, it was seen as the first step toward a new homegrown frontline stealth fighter.

While support for a domestic-only program is strong among some government officials, other bureaucrats are worried about the potentially enormous expense of developing components from scratch. They support international collaboration to share costs with overseas partners and tap their technology.

“What we have now is a flying box” without all the systems that constitute a fighter such as weapons and sensors, said another of the sources.

Possible overseas partners include BAE Systems, a leading designer of the high-altitude Eurofighter interceptor backed by the British government, F-35 builder Lockheed Martin and Boeing, maker of the F-18 strike fighter. All have responded to initial requests for information from Ministry of Defence overseeing F-3 plans.

Reporting by Tim Kelly and Nobuhiro Kubo; Editing by Lincoln Feast

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taxiya

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F-35 is essentially a curse of ATD-X/F3. Japan does not have unlimited cash to have both in meaningful numbers, let alone the gap of waiting for the uncertain F3. If Japan choose to field F-35 in good numbers to counter J-20 in the near future, I don't know where they can find the money to develop and build enough F3.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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F3 was always advertised as a 6th gen development program that means it's aimed for fielding in the 2030's the demonstrator they have flown is a test bed not a prototype. for the hearer term they will be getting F35's. by the early 2030's baring some huge advancement in 3D Printing manufacturing most of the PLAAF will still be based on 4th generation fighters with a few squadrons of J20's and maybe a few J31. As long as the Japanese Keep their F15J's uptodate and procure F35's and Datalinks that can allow their legacy fighters to work together the should be alright.
 
... If I were the Japanese I would also add THAADs in there ...
well looking into Jun 25, 2017
I noticed Tokyo to choose cheaper Aegis option to beef up missile defense
June 23, 2017
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I figured six THAAD batteries would eat up more than ten percent of their current spending (which is very low in terms of the GDP percentage), so it's kinda obvious they can't pay for it

by the way they have some fishy activity "... developing the F-3 could cost $40 billion, a figure described another source as an “initial cost.”

With a defense budget of around $50 billion ..."

(quoting Reuters article posted above:
#2664 Hendrik_2000, Yesterday at 11:20 PM)

I mean it sounds like throwing money away since they're buying F-35s plus
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but yeah, it might be a subsidy to their defense industry
 

Air Force Brat

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well looking into Jun 25, 2017
and at
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I figured six THAAD batteries would eat up more than ten percent of their current spending (which is very low in terms of the GDP percentage), so it's kinda obvious they can't pay for it

by the way they have some fishy activity "... developing the F-3 could cost $40 billion, a figure described another source as an “initial cost.”

With a defense budget of around $50 billion ..."

(quoting Reuters article posted above:
#2664 Hendrik_2000, Yesterday at 11:20 PM)

I mean it sounds like throwing money away since they're buying F-35s plus
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but yeah, it might be a subsidy to their defense industry

Hey, I think we ought to give them blue prints for the F-22 and pay em to build us another 500, I sure would!
 

FORBIN

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Designing aircraft from scratch take a lot of money and perseverance few country can afford it. Not even the European
F3 was always advertised as a 6th gen development program that means it's aimed for fielding in the 2030's the demonstrator they have flown is a test bed not a prototype. for the hearer term they will be getting F35's. by the early 2030's baring some huge advancement in 3D Printing manufacturing most of the PLAAF will still be based on 4th generation fighters with a few squadrons of J20's and maybe a few J31. As long as the Japanese Keep their F15J's uptodate and procure F35's and Datalinks that can allow their legacy fighters to work together the should be alright.
Yes but the power of an Air Force is not only the number of stealth/BTW now only USAF have plans and means for have a full stealth fighters in fact consirdered "specials", more capable even USAF have on 2100 fighters+ Bombers ( with only F-35 block 3i )really combat capable 230 aircrafts so about 10%

More capable which is not true by ex a F-15E is much more versatile than a F-22 and also the F-16 1000 on 2000 fighters is more affordable each have an advantage but fanboys... hypnotised by only some... which represent nothing or almost actualy.

BTW now only USAF have plans and means for have a full BTW now only USAF have plans and means for have a full stealth fighters-bombers Fleet for end 2030's, Russians, Chinese have build new 4.5 Generation and going for build again long time.

Designing aircraft from scratch take a lot of money and perseverance few country can afford it. Not even the European

For naysayers vs Europe for money the true...

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GDP 16,408,364 $ trillion
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511,805,088
Per capita $33,551


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GDP 11,232,108 $ trillion
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1,403,500,365
Per capita $16,624

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GDP 4,939,384 $ trillion
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126,672,000
Per capita $42,860

Which is the more poor...

And these people would do well to be more humble i could detail more the "wealth" of China for more than a century...

Also but i don't think chauvinists are aware
Airbus reveals future New Fighter concept
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And only 10 years ago China AF have again H-5 and J-6...

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Hendrik_2000

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youre sort of comparing a big family with a pair of yuppies with no kids with a sort of a neighbourhood association...

Exactly a lot of people here are delusional. China plan to have 3 production line for J 20 . Even discounting the news we can be sure that She will have at least 2 line open based on J 10 production line .

Assuming the production rate of 2 per month We can calculate that by 2030 China will have 12X12X2= 288 That is roughly 12 squadron!
So yeah keep on dreaming! Japan is fighting a loosing battle trying to compete against China with defense budget of only 50 million USD. Eventually the economy talk and I don't see it will change in the future

Now about GDP people forget that the combined population of the wealthier provinces in China is probably exceed Europe And they have high income , based on 2016 PPP which is outdated. We have the richer province of Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Beijing and Tianjin percapita income of $30000
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