China's strategy in Korean peninsula

AndrewS

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US built a hegemony over the Latin American countries since 1823 and used that hegemony to wantonly interfere in those countries. As one example amongst many US Marines removed the elected president of Guatemala Arbenz Guzman in 1954 and replaced him with a military dictatorship - that continued for dozens of years and murdered some two hundred thousand peasants - not in the interest of US but in the interest of the banana company that was known as the Green Monster. China has seen the enmity engendered by that policy and has declared a policy of non-interference that should let existing historical enmity die out as most of such historical enmity died out in Europe.

In 1823, the United Kingdom had a population which was twice that of the USA.

Furthermore, it was the first industrialised economy and had just "won" the Napoleonic Wars.

So it was actually the British Empire and the Royal Navy which maintained a commercial empire in Latin America, rather than a formal empire.

I would date the actual start of US Hegemony in Latin America to the Spanish-American war of 1898. That was when the US had a big enough navy that none of the European states dared to challenge.
 

delft

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In 1823, the United Kingdom had a population which was twice that of the USA.

Furthermore, it was the first industrialised economy and had just "won" the Napoleonic Wars.

So it was actually the British Empire and the Royal Navy which maintained a commercial empire in Latin America, rather than a formal empire.

I would date the actual start of US Hegemony in Latin America to the Spanish-American war of 1898. That was when the US had a big enough navy that none of the European states dared to challenge.
So would I, but they took three quarter of a century to prepare for Empire.
 

Equation

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Yep you got it, just think, a divided Korea today... should worry more about unification, but South Korea is already making stupid demands on China... the balls and the stupidity they have to do something as stupid as this. What do you think a strong unified Korea will do?

And of course SK don't give a crap about China's objection towards THAAD while they are earns billions from China. And what about NK? They care for China even less, if they did listen to Chain, they would not have develop nukes in the first place. Look how much trouble NK has brought for China?

That means SK and NK both don't give a crap about Chinese interest, do you think somehow a combined strong unified Korea will magically starting to listen to China?

That's why the Koreans are stuck where they are at by being hatred, spiteful and blaming others for their own failures.
 

sanblvd

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That's why the Koreans are stuck where they are at by being hatred, spiteful and blaming others for their own failures.

Indeed, better make sure all of this negative feeling is directly towards themselves, instead of directing towards China. Aka Vietnam situation today
 
"The diplomat, who briefed reporters on the content of the draft, said he had "high confidence" that China and Russia would support the proposed sanctions."
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UN to Vote on Tougher North Korea Sanctions
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The UN Security Council will vote Saturday on a U.S.-drafted resolution toughening sanctions on North Korea, diplomats said Friday, a proposed ban on certain exports that could deprive Pyongyang of $1 billion in annual revenue.

After a month of negotiations, the United States reached a deal with China, North Korea's main trading partner and ally, on the measures aimed at ratcheting up pressure on Pyongyang to halt its missile and nuclear tests.

The Security Council is scheduled to vote at 3 p.m. Saturday on the new set of sanctions, diplomats confirmed.

The draft resolution calls for a ban on all exports of coal, iron and iron ore, lead and lead ore, as well as fish and seafood by the cash-starved state, according to the text seen by AFP.

If implemented by all countries, the ban would strip Pyongyang of roughly a third of its export earnings estimated at $3 billion per year, according to a diplomat familiar with the negotiations.

The diplomat, who briefed reporters on the content of the draft, said he had "high confidence" that China and Russia would support the proposed sanctions.

Backed by its European allies, Japan and South Korea, the United States has been leading the push at the United Nations for tougher sanctions in response to North Korea's
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further raised alarm about Pyongyang's drive to develop a missile capable of hitting the U.S. mainland.

The draft text would also prevent North Korea from increasing the number of workers it sends abroad, prohibit all new joint ventures and ban new investment in the current joint companies.

North Korea is blamed for a "massive diversion of its scarce resources" toward the development of "nuclear weapons and a number of expensive ballistic missile programs," the draft resolution said.

The new measures would be the seventh set of UN sanctions imposed on North Korea since it first carried out a nuclear test in 2006, but these have failed to compel Pyongyang to change its behavior.

Two resolutions adopted last year however have introduced economic sanctions with more bite.

The United States has put heavy pressure on China, which accounts for 90 percent of trade with North Korea, to enforce the sanctions.

- No ban on oil -

The proposed resolution would add North Korea's Foreign Trade Bank, the primary foreign exchange bank, to a U.N. sanctions blacklist, which provides for an assets freeze.

It would also tighten trade restrictions on technology to prevent North Korea from acquiring items that could be used for its military programs.

Under the proposed measure, North Korean vessels caught violating U.N. resolutions would be banned from entering ports in all countries.

The draft resolution however does not provide for cuts to oil deliveries to North Korea -- a move that would have dealt a serious blow to the economy.

Russia, which like China is a veto-wielding council member, had warned that it would not support sanctions that would worsen North Korea's humanitarian crisis.

The United States and its allies have argued that tougher sanctions are needed to force North Korea to come to the negotiating table to discuss a halt to its military programs.

China and Russia have meanwhile insisted that sanctions alone will not change Pyongyang's behavior and that talks are needed to address the crisis.

As negotiations at the United Nations entered the final stretch, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson declared that Washington was not seeking regime change in North Korea and was willing to talk to Pyongyang.
 
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"The diplomat, who briefed reporters on the content of the draft, said he had "high confidence" that China and Russia would support the proposed sanctions."
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toughening sanctions on North Korea to halt its nuclear and missile programme by banning mineral and seafood exports worth over $1bn.

The Security Council unanimously adopted the US-led resolution on Saturday.

The measures would be the seventh set of UN sanctions imposed on North Korea since it first carried out a nuclear test in 2006.

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... the rest is unrelated to China
 
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Sanctions, peace talks both important in efforts to address Korean Peninsula nuke issue: Chinese FM
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Both sanctions against the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's (DPRK) nuclear and missile programs and resumption of the six-party talks are important and neither should be neglected, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Sunday.

Wang made the remarks here on the sidelines of a series of foreign ministers' meetings, in response to a question regarding the new UN Security Council resolution over the DPRK's test launch of intercontinental ballistic missiles in July.

China, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, upheld an impartial and objective position and played a responsible and constructive role in the process of the adoption of the resolution, he said.

According to Wang, there are two major components in the resolution: one is to make a necessary response to the DPRK's constant missile launch activities which have violated UN Security Council resolutions in a bid to effectively check DPRK's nuclear and missile development programs.

The other is to call for the resumption of the six-party talks, stressing the peaceful settlement of the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue by diplomatic and political means, in order to avoid escalation of the tension of the peninsula.

Noting that sanctions are necessary but not the ultimate goal, the Chinese minister said the measure aims to bring parties concerned back to the negotiating table so as to seek a peaceful solution to the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue and realize denuclearization as well as lasting peace and stability on the peninsula.
 

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... the rest is unrelated to China

I think everybody who has been following geopolitics knows the significance of this move by China, who has up to this point been very very reluctant to agree to any severe sanctions on North Korea. China didn't agree to this with the US for nothing.
 

FactsPlease

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I think everybody who has been following geopolitics knows the significance of this move by China, who has up to this point been very very reluctant to agree to any severe sanctions on North Korea. China didn't agree to this with the US for nothing.
But I doubt that big-mouth Trump can seal his tweet to boast a major (diplomatic) victory if USA did work with China behind the scene.
-- He is on vacation. Perhaps that's why. Too much speculation. Let's see what NK will do next.
 

Yodello

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But I doubt that big-mouth Trump can seal his tweet to boast a major (diplomatic) victory if USA did work with China behind the scene.
-- He is on vacation. Perhaps that's why. Too much speculation. Let's see what NK will do next.
Perhaps China may use a moment of respite from the Korean crisis to fully focus on the Sino-Indian border situation. If indeed China has made a deal with the U.S on North Korea, India will have a major reckoning at hand, a total Chinese focus on India would be like the proverbial 'Deer in the Headlights' moment for India. Lol
 
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