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bd popeye

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I won't speculate on what happened. I was not there. I can guess. But I won't make any comments.

In another forum a member stated;

Can't see how they'll fix her... that's probably the end of her career in the USN.

My reply;

USS Belnap was turned into a floating cinder in November 1975 after a collision with USS John F Kennedy. She was repaired and sail again.

Eight Belnap sailors lost their lives in this incident.

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The morning of 22 November 1975, the Ionian Sea, near Sicily. The USS Belknap after collision with John F Kennedy.
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A port bow view of the guided missile cruiser USS BELKNAP (CG 26) being assisted into port by Italian harbor tugs. (SUBSTANDARD)
Location: AUGUSTA BAY
Date 17 October 1987
 

FORBIN

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USS Fitzgerald Returns to Yokosuka
USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), aided by tug boats, returned to Yokosuka at 6:15 p.m. this evening.

Approximately 16 hours earlier, it was involved in a collision with the Philippine-flagged merchant vessel ACX Crystal while operating about 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, Japan. Seven of Fitzgerald's crew remain missing.

Vice Adm. Joseph P. Aucoin, commander, U.S. 7th Fleet, along with many family members, were on the pier when the ship arrived.

"This has been a difficult day," Aucoin said. "I am humbled by the bravery and tenacity of the Fitzgerald crew. Now that the ship is in Yokosuka, I ask that you help the families by maintaining their privacy as we continue the search for our shipmates."

"I want to highlight the extraordinary courage of the Fitzgerald Sailors who contained the flooding, stabilized the ship and sailed her back to Yokosuka despite the exceptionally trying circumstances," said Rear Adm. Charles Williams, commander, Task Force 70.

Shortly after the collision the U.S. made a request for support from the Japan Coast Guard (JCG), which were the first on scene and continues to be lead for search and rescue efforts. The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) ships JS Ohnami, JS Hamagiri, and JS Enshu were sent to join the JCG ships Izanami and Kano. USS Dewey (DDG 105) served as an escort for Fitzgerald and has also returned to Yokosuka. A U.S. P-8 Poseidon aircraft is working in concert with two JMSDF Helicopters and a JMSDF P-3 Orion aircraft to search the area. Names of the missing Sailors are being withheld until the families have been notified.

The collision affected Fitzgerald's forward starboard side above and below the water line, causing significant damage and associated flooding to two berthing spaces, a machinery space and the radio room, which damage control teams quickly began dewatering. Though the ship is back in Yokosuka it remains uncertain as to how long it will take to gain access to the spaces in order to methodically continue the search for the missing.

Once the ship arrived in Yokosuka, divers began inspecting the damage and developing a plan for repairs and inspection of the spaces.

Three patients required medical evacuation from the ship. One was Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Fitzgerald's commanding officer, who was transferred to U.S. Naval Hospital Yokosuka by a JMSDF helicopter. All three Sailors are awake and will remain under observation at the hospital until further notice. Other injured are being assessed.

The USS Fitzgerald Emergency Family Assistance Center will remain open for chaplain and counselor care indefinitely, 24/7, on the Command Readiness Center's 4th floor (across from the commissary) - in the same classroom where the Area Orientation Brief (AOB) is hosted.

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FORBIN

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I won't speculate on what happened. I was not there. I can guess. But I won't make any comments.

In another forum a member stated;


My reply;

USS Belnap was turned into a floating cinder in November 1975 after a collision with USS John F Kennedy. She was repaired and sail again.

Eight Belnap sailors lost their lives in this incident.

Exact Popeye and when you compare AB is much less damaged ! but with sequestration things are more difficult now and can depends insurances repayments if the price is significant, the Miami with pressure hull damaged was needed 500 millions for repair IIRC was retired, i don't think such price for the AB SSN are more delicate for obvious reasons.
 

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SeaRAM has shown a bit more effective against very clise incoming missiles. Better than Phalanx gun only.

so, for the BMD vessels, they are adding another defense in depth.

They have some SM for ling range. ESSM for medium to shor range, SeaRAM for shorter range, and Phalanx for very short range. Now three shells/levels of defense for BMD vessels.

Those vessels are taking up a number of their cells form BMD defense and this accounts for that giving them more and stronger defense close in.

Ofc agree for ESSM and the combination guns/missiles as Kashtan have is considered the best against missiles
But why USN buy 2 similars systems in more make sense use the more powerful RAM with 21 missiles o_O
 

bd popeye

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I'm not sure the Naval shipyard at Yokosuka can repair Fitzgerald. That shipyard can do quite a bit of work. They've re-fit USN ships since April 1947. I feel it depends upon how much damage is done below the water line...We shall see.

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YOKOSUKA, Japan (June 17, 2017) The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) returns to Fleet Activities (FLEACT) Yokosuka following a collision with a merchant vessel while operating southwest of Yokosuka, Japan. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Peter Burghart/Released)

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USS Fitzgerald bound for the U.S. naval base at Yokosuka, Japan following a collision with a Philippine-flagged merchant vessel. The Yomiuri Shimbun Photo..Toyko
 

bd popeye

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In reading different queries on different boards the main question is..how did this happen?

The same way auto accidents happen.

Ahhh.. I think the Civilian vessel was on auto pilot as they sometimes are. The USN ship always has watchstanders on the bridge and lookouts. Someone aboard one of those ships goofed. I think we will discover that warning signals were sounded and perhaps messages sent...One thing all must understand. You just can't turn a ship like and automobile. It takes a lot of space. Tons..even for an Arliegh Burke DDG.

I'm guessing Fitzgerald saw the merchant vessel. Warned them while turning away. But the merchant perhaps was on auto-pilot and smashed into Fitzgerald. I say that because the damage is on the port bow of MV ACX Crystal. I'm pretty sure MV ACX Crystal ran into Fitzgerald.

Remember...I'm guessing. and I did intend to keep this to myself.
 
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