China's strategy in Korean peninsula

AssassinsMace

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Oh yeah this is an example of how the US respects South Koreans. The US gets to dictate to South Korea what their opinion is which is why they don't have to consult with any South Koreans at all on anything involving South Korea.

They respect South Koreans so much that the war hysteria is all American driven. Yeah they don't care that the American media's quest for ratings puts the lives of South Koreans at death's door if war starts. Corporate American profits are more important than South Korean lives. Take that China with your human rights violating economic sanctions against South Korea. Maybe the US should bomb and kill people in a random country (other than Syria this time) somewhere around the world just to send China a message again because that would be the right thing to do.
 

AndrewS

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You have to admit it's hard to sympathize with any culture that can inflict Gangnam style on the world when you are actually watching Gangnam style on YouTube.

Oh, throwing around tu quoque doesn't make you less wrong or the hypocrite less right.

This is an example of your own hypocrisy.

The spread of Gangnam style is a good thing, as it displaces US gangster rap culture. Remember gangster rap is far worse because it glorifies violence and criminals.

But on a more serious note on hypocrisy

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delft

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I am curious of the fate of the "
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", the full text in Chinese is here
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The expiration is due on August 30th, 2021. Article 7 (quote below) concerns the extension and cancellation.

after the signature, the footnote says

The Chinese language literally says, the treaty remains effective before agreement regarding the change or termination is reached.

The footnote says, if one party want to change or terminate, one must notice the other party within half year of the expiration date, otherwise the treaty automatically extend to another 20 years.

These two seems conflicting. What if one party notices the other the intension of terminating, the other party refuse to reach the said agreement in article 7? Or deliberately delay an agreement?

Of course, it will be terminated if one party is determined just like a divorce without reaching an agreement, but the legality of the treaty texts is also a serious concern.

Another more interesting question is what is China's position on this treaty today. Last time when the treaty was extended, the official position still called "the tie made of blood and sacrifice". Since last year, the official position is "normal national relationship", that essentially put Sino-NK relationship on the same rank as Sino-SK relationship on diplomatic terms.

I personally would prefer the extension IF NK listen to China's call to de-nuclearize and drop the tone of ultra-toughness, in that the continuation serves as a carrot. But, if Kim keeps playing deaf, threatening of termination can be a stick.
By taking a position equidistant from both halves of Korea China invites South Korea accept its help in engaging in negotiations on reunification and to that end escape US suzerainty and remove US forces from its territory.
 

Blackstone

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By taking a position equidistant from both halves of Korea China invites South Korea accept its help in engaging in negotiations on reunification and to that end escape US suzerainty and remove US forces from its territory.
I actually agree with most of this. If ROK ever want China's help to ease DPRK into its tender arms, then one of the many things Zhonghanhai will demand is US off the peninsula and an non-aligned United Korea that will likely be Finlandized over time.
 

delft

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I actually agree with most of this. If ROK ever want China's help to ease DPRK into its tender arms, then one of the many things Zhonghanhai will demand is US off the peninsula and an non-aligned United Korea that will likely be Finlandized over time.
Korea would return to the position of Medium Brother between Big Brother China and Little Brother Japan it had in previous centuries. The comparison with Finland is less apt if only because it carries a lot of propaganda ballast.
 

taxiya

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By taking a position equidistant from both halves of Korea China invites South Korea accept its help in engaging in negotiations on reunification and to that end escape US suzerainty and remove US forces from its territory.

The treaty actually has made a provision to that spirit. Usually people focus on article 2 "the military assistance to NK". But article 6 of it actually precluded any forced unification by either side including NK. Here is the quote.
第 六 条
缔约双方认为,朝鲜的统一必须在和平民主的基础上实现,而这种解决正符合朝鲜人民的民族利益和维护远东和平的目的。
It says "Both parties agree that the unification of Korea MUST be Peaceful and Democratic. this solution is in line with the interest of Korean nation and the purpose of maintaining peace in the far east."

Peaceful denies NK to conquer SK, it is kind of Chinese guarantee to SK, just like article 2 gives NK a guarantee. Democratic (not same to political system) means both sides' free will to unify.

I wonder if China knowingly made this text in 1961. That would be a really long term vision. Probably a reflection of China's unspoken disapproval of NK's "adventure" of forceful unification in 1950s.
 

Equation

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The treaty actually has made a provision to that spirit. Usually people focus on article 2 "the military assistance to NK". But article 6 of it actually precluded any forced unification by either side including NK. Here is the quote.

It says "Both parties agree that the unification of Korea MUST be Peaceful and Democratic. this solution is in line with the interest of Korean nation and the purpose of maintaining peace in the far east."

Peaceful denies NK to conquer SK, it is kind of Chinese guarantee to SK, just like article 2 gives NK a guarantee. Democratic (not same to political system) means both sides' free will to unify.

I wonder if China knowingly made this text in 1961. That would be a really long term vision. Probably a reflection of China's unspoken disapproval of NK's "adventure" of forceful unification in 1950s.
What If the SK wants the DPRK for themselves? I mean look at all that undeveloped real estate for the elite to lick their chops. Preferably through peace of course, but they would love have their cake and eat it too. Unification of the Korean the peninsula under their rule without any of the DPRK former regime government in power AND without risking any of their own military lives. That's my opinion.
 

delft

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I wonder if China knowingly made this text in 1961. That would be a really long term vision. Probably a reflection of China's unspoken disapproval of NK's "adventure" of forceful unification in 1950s.
You should remember that the first horrible dictator in South Korea had been murdered in 1960 and replaced with a horrible military dictator as well as the then huge military superiority of US. NK at the time was clearly more democratic than SK.
 

Blackstone

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You should remember that the first horrible dictator in South Korea had been murdered in 1960 and replaced with a horrible military dictator as well as the then huge military superiority of US. NK at the time was clearly more democratic than SK.
Not sure if you could make the claim DPRK was more democratic than ROK, you need a lot more non-cherry picked evidence to prove that, but it's right to say neither country was democratic.
 
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