COMAC C919

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Western press reaction and yes I can't believe the vitriol comment on youtube or comment section on the web.Just click the reaction url you see. One guy said Bombardier help what why would some one help their competitor?
Huge crowd witness the historic moment
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With maiden jet flight, China enters dog-fight with Boeing, Airbus
By Jackie Cai and Adam Jourdan,Reuters 2 hours 36 minutes ago
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By Jackie Cai and Adam Jourdan

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China's home-grown C919 passenger jet completed its long-delayed maiden flight on Friday, a major first step for Beijing as it looks to raise its profile in the global aviation market and boost high-tech manufacturing at home.

Under overcast skies, the white, green and blue aircraft, with "C919" emblazoned on its tail, touched down at Shanghai's international airport after an 80-minute flight to cheers from thousands of dignitaries, aviation workers and enthusiasts.

The jet is a symbol of China's ambitions to muscle into a global jet market estimated to be worth $2 trillion over the next two decades, as well as of Beijing's broader "Made in China 2025" plan to spur home-made products, from medicines to robots.

"Seeing the C919 take off into the sky made me quite emotional. This is a moment we have waited to see for a very long time," Wang Mingfeng, 42, who witnessed the maiden flight at the Shanghai airport, told Reuters.

"I believe that in the not too distant future, we will be neck-and-neck with Boeing and Airbus."

At the moment, though, Boeing and Airbus remain far ahead in terms of sales, technical know-how and order books. And the C919, whose test flight was pushed back at least twice since 2014 due to production issues, may need years of tests to get certified in China, as well as in the United States and Europe.

On Friday, the C919 flew north over the Yangtze River delta, carried out manoeuvres and then returned south along the coast before landing, according to aircraft tracker Flightradar24. State media said the plane flew at around 3,000 meters and at speeds of 290-300 kilometers (180-186 miles) per hour.

The crew of five pilots and engineers, all wearing orange jump suits and aviators, were applauded as they disembarked. The plane, which can carry 158-168 passengers, had no passenger seats installed for the maiden flight.

A letter from China's ministerial cabinet, read out after the plane landed, said the successful flight marked a "major breakthrough" and milestone for China's passenger jet industry. The industry ministry said in a statement the flight went smoothly and that all the systems functioned properly.

The C919, made by state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) [CMAFC.UL], relies on overseas technology from firms including General Electric , France's Safran , Honeywell International Inc and United Technologies Corp subsidiary Goodrich.

China Eastern Airlines <600115.SS> is the launch customer for the plane, which COMAC says has 570 orders from 23 customers.

HARDSHIP, STRUGGLE

Conceived in 2008, China wants the C919 to eventually take market share from Boeing and Airbus in the lucrative narrow-body market which accounts for more than 50 percent of the aircraft in service worldwide. For a TIMELINE on the C919, click

"Every year we spend billions on buying planes," a COMAC promotional video showed President Xi Jinping saying during a site visit. He added China should become more self-reliant.

However, the jet likely faces a lengthy journey from first flight to commercial usage.

China's first home-made jet, the regional ARJ-21, received its type certification in December 2014, six years after its first flight and more than 12 years after it was conceived. It made its maiden passenger flight in June last year.

Then there is also the daunting task of selling the jet in a global market dominated by Boeing and Airbus.

"Aviation is a complex market and you need experience over a long time. Boeing has 100 years, Airbus has over 40 years," said Sinolink Securities analyst Si Jingzhe, adding COMAC still lagged far behind in terms of supply chain know-how.

China is aware the path won't be easy. On a media visit on Thursday to COMAC's C919 assembly plant less than 10 kilometers from the airport, large red banners could be seen in giant hangars calling for long-term "hardship", "dedication" and "struggle" to meet the firm's goals.

China is pushing for recognition globally of its certification by European and U.S. regulators as without their certification, it would only be able to sell the jet to a handful of countries that accept its certification standards.

But Beijing is already looking beyond the C919, with plans to develop a wide-body long-haul jet with Russia. In November COMAC and its partner United Aircraft Corp said they have started the hunt to find suppliers.

(Reporting by Jackie Cai, Adam Jourdan and Brenda Goh; Additional reporting by SHANGHAI newsroom; Editing by Muralikumar Anantharaman)

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The issue with the brake on the first high speed taxi
In an interview carried out in March but released on Chinese television shortly before the launch, test pilot Cai Jun said he had full confidence in the plane.

"A pilot knows clearly the condition of a plane. He knows very well whether it will work. So I'm not afraid at all, but focusing more on whether the plane is in its best shape now," he said.

He also described halting an earlier taxiing test in late 2016 because of a problem with the brakes.

"It's just like driving a car. I put the brakes on, and the plane started to shake," he said.

He said he had had to argue with the plane's engineers help refine the design.

"For the designers, the plane is their baby, which they believe is perfect. But our task is to tell them that their baby is not perfect, it has strengths and weaknesses, and they have to make improvements," the pilot said.
 
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Yodello

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They weren't condescending. They were obviously fearful.

Condescending is when you say, "That's a veerrrrry good job, you guys. Clap clap. Hope to see you finally playing with us in the big leagues soon, if you can make it. You'll need all the luck you can get." And I didn't see any of that.

Fearful is when you make cheap jokes with a cold sweat like what I saw: "Hey, clean up your air. Did that jet make all the smog? Copied technology flown by monkeys. Stop stealing from the West. Hope it crashes and we see dead bodies everywhere. Do you sell Louiz Wuitton on the flight and show pirated movies? If it keeps taxiing, they should just call it a bus."

Those were all the comments I actually saw and they all reeked of fear and insecurity. Made me feel
like this guy from Karate Kid:
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Right on....! It means China is on the right path. I wish China all the very best in every endeavour she undertakes (Y)
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Make no mistake; C919 isn't a Chinese endeavor. It's an American/European endeavor assembled by the Chinese, with the help of Bombardier.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Make no mistake; C919 isn't a Chinese endeavor. It's an American/European endeavor assembled by the Chinese, with the help of Bombardier.

I don't buy this The plane structure design and aerodynamic is certainly Chinese . Since this is their first try they make a smart move by outsourcing the component from world supplier to ease the concern of non Chinese buyer and simplified the maintenance from prospective client. But no mistake as year progress they will replace it with domestic variant
I don't know where bombardier come from?
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
I don't buy this The plane structure design and aerodynamic is certainly Chinese . Since this is their first try they make a smart move by outsourcing the component from world supplier to ease the concern of non Chinese buyer and simplified the maintenance from prospective client. But no mistake as year progress they will replace it with domestic variant
I don't know where bombardier come from?

The engines are perhaps the biggest roadblock to partial- or complete indigenization of commercial airliners, although it was quite surprising as well that the C919 used non-Chinese electronics (including cockpit electronics). Bombardier agreed to expand design commonality between its CS300 series and the C919. The two jets may share common technologies as well.
 

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People react during the maiden flight of China's home-grown C919 passenger at the Pudong International Airport in Shanghai. REUTERS/Aly Song

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China's home-grown C919 passenger jet lands during its first flight at Pudong International Airport in Shanghai. China Daily/via REUTERS

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Members of staff wave as they step out of China's home-grown C919 passenger jet after following its maiden flight at the Pudong International Airport in Shanghai. REUTERS/Aly Song
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Bombardier agreed to expand design commonality between its CS300 series and the C919. The two jets may share common technologies as well.

Don't know what you mean by design commonality Certainly the part is not interchangeable . The flight avionic , engine might be the same.
What is the purpose of "design commonality"
C919 is direct competitor of bombardier product Why should they help China doesn't make sense
 

Richard Santos

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Why would bombardier help the Chinese?

Easy. C919 doesn't compete directly in bombardier's main market segment. Barbardier's larger C series is hardly promising against the established b737 and A320. So C919 isn't likely to really hurt bombardier sales.
By helping the Chinese build the C919, bombardier might gain an advantage in its own segment of the Chinese market, while letting Boeing and airbus indirectly bear the cost and competitive setback in the broader b737 A320 market segment.

Gotta watch out for those sneaky canucks.
 
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SinoSoldier

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Why don't you make a careful study of the so-called 'American' Boeing airliner, you noncompoop.

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Tone down the emotions, kid.

The Boeing equivalent of the C919 (namely, the 737) sources the majority of its parts from US-based or US-owned companies, much of them manufactured directly in the United States. Critically, the engines (the most expensive and crucial part of the aircraft) are mostly developed and built within the US.

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The C919, on the other hand, is almost completely built from non-Chinese components, including the engines. The only "Chinese" portion of the C919 remains limited to the wings, horizontal stabilizers, radar cover, and outer fuselage. All of the internal subsystems, such as avionics and flight control, are non-Chinese. Even the landing gear is not Chinese.

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SinoSoldier

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Why would bombardier help the Chinese?

Easy. C919 doesn't compete directly in bombardier' market segment. So C919 isn't likely to hurt bombardier sales. By helping the Chinese build the C919, bombardier might gain an advantage in its own segment of the Chinese market, while letting Boeing and airbus indirectly bear the cost and competitive setback in the broader b737 A320 market segment.

Gotta watch out for those sneaky canucks.

Essentially. The C919-Bombardier deal is meant to be a coalition against the likes of Boeing & Airbus while allowing entrance of Bombardier into Chinese markets.

I would imagine that sharing parts between the CSeries and C9XX would also bring down the cost of both.
 
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