China's strategy in Korean peninsula

broadsword

Brigadier
Very interesting article from a Chinese blog, with original info supposedly from The Global Times, arguing China wouldn't respond with military should the US conducts surgical strikes to take out DPRK nuclear facilities. PRC military would only be used if US and ROK military forces cross the 38th Parallel. If true, is puts a whole new spin on North Korean denuclearzation.

If the article is legit, then we're in a Brave New World.

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Not a surprise, at least to me. NK has been a pain in the neck to China for quite a long time, at least the Chinese citizens feel that way. So long as the 38th Parallel is not crossed, China can put up with it. Ergo, 'Brave New World' is quite a hype.
 

dingyibvs

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No, Chinese troops do not need to occupy most of North Korea to obtain a favourable post-war reunification settlement.

If South Korea or American troops tried to remove any Chinese soldiers from North Korean territory, it would trigger a war with the entire Chinese military and a rerun of the last Korean war.

That is a powerful argument for a negotiated solution for the removal of both the Chinese and US military from a unified Korea, which would anyway be rebuilt using China's surplus industrial/financial capacity.

They may not need it, but the more they have the more likely they'd obtain a favorable post-war order. In order to ENSURE mutual withdrawal of troops, China needs to be able to offer 1) the carrot of most if not all of NK in addition to its own withdrawal, and 2) the stick of creation of a new and significant NK state.

Without a very sizeable portion of NK, I think it's still possible for China to obtain a favorable post-war order, but with it China would have a lot more leverage in the form of the aforementioned carrot and stick.
 

SampanViking

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The implication of what I am reading above, is that people genuinely believe that the DPRK would somehow be sanguine about "Surgical Strikes" against their Strategic Defence Facilities?

This is what some of you are saying?
 

KIENCHIN

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The implication of what I am reading above, is that people genuinely believe that the DPRK would somehow be sanguine about "Surgical Strikes" against their Strategic Defence Facilities?

This is what some of you are saying?
I think everyone on this forum realise NK is not Syria nor is it Iraq during the first Gulf War. The North Korean army had proven themselves to be fanatical and fearless in the face of a superior adversary. Unless the US has a full prove plan and an exit strategy it should think twice, all those hundreds of artillery guns within range of Seoul can cause serious damage before they are taken out.
 
The implication of what I am reading above, is that people genuinely believe that the DPRK would somehow be sanguine about "Surgical Strikes" against their Strategic Defence Facilities?

This is what some of you are saying?

Well, perhaps the title of this article can replace "despite" with "because" and be just as valid.

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De-escalation through diplomatic backchannels remains most likely path for North Korea-US, despite displays of military capacity

Keerti Rajan, London - IHS Jane's Intelligence Weekly
27 April 2017

Key Points

A major new conflict on the Korean peninsula remains unlikely given US and South Korean concern about the North Korean government's need to reinforce its domestic legitimacy with a pre-emptive attack on the US, South Korea or Japan.

The arrival of the USS Michigan submarine in Busan, South Korea, and likely arrival of the Carl Vinson carrier group this week are indicative of overwhelming US force, but will be restricted to joint naval exercises with South Korea.

The incoming South Korean president, to be elected on 9 May, is highly unlikely to sanction South Korean or US military mobilisation in South Korea before all diplomatic options - most likely through Chinese backchannels - have been exhausted.

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It's evident to me that China, Russia, and SK have all expressed their Rambo's philosophy about who draws first blood to NK and the US (and these two to each other) so that everyone is freshly reminded of the math of MAD, which is just an ultimate textbook definition of deterrence, which prevailed again for the benefit of humanity.

So no, don't count me as one who thinks the DPRK will be sanguine about surgical strikes on their nuclear program facilities.
 

Hendrik_2000

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People should not be so cocky without considering the consequence of strike against noko. It won't be pretty
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What One Photo Tells Us About
North Korea’s Nuclear Program


By
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FEB. 24, 2017

Experts who want to pierce North Korea’s extreme secrecy have to be creative. One surprisingly rich resource: the country’s own propaganda, like the photo below.

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KCNA/Handout/European Pressphoto Agency
Images like this one might look silly, but they are rich with insights into the country’s military and politics. By using high-tech forensics and traditional detective work, analysts and intelligence agencies can use photos to track North Korea’s internal politics and expanding weapons programs with stunning granularity.

Several experts walked us through this photo of Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, unveiling what he claimed was a new nuclear device. But the image, from March 2016, may show more than Mr. Kim intended: the possible range of the missile behind him, his relationship with the military, even his precise location.

The Bomb
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North Korea calls this its first miniaturized nuclear warhead, small enough to fit on a missile. Analysts call it the disco ball.

Jeffrey Lewis, an analyst at the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, used the photo to estimate the device’s size, from which he deduced its weight — a few hundred kilograms — and its destructive yield, about 20 kilotons, roughly equivalent to the atomic bombs that the United States dropped on Japan.

But more important than yield was its small size – about 60 centimeters in diameter – which appears to match North Korea’s claim that it can fit on their long-range missiles, a major leap forward for the country’s nuclear prowess.

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Wiring

Nozzle

NUCLEAR

WARHEAD

Plug

Analysts are unsure about the metal plug. It could be a routine component to trigger detonation or it could be used to inject gas, making the device more efficient. This would allow North Korea to build more warheads out of limited plutonium supplies, multiplying the size of its arsenal.

There’s also disagreement over the nozzle. Some suspect it’s a safety feature used to enter the nuclear “pit” just before detonation; others say it could be used to arm the warhead. Analysts hope new images will emerge that will help them solve these riddles.

The Missile

Even a glimpse of the intercontinental missile in the background reveals important information. David Schmerler, also with the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, noticed the white lettering, which is Korean for “support.” Missile airframes are fragile and so have to be rested where the frame is strongest — between the internal tanks.

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Exterior of the KN-08 missile

The KN-08, shown behind Kim Jong-un,

is designed for a range of 7,200 miles,

but has had no flight tests to date.


AT LEAST 62 FEET

Source:NTI/CNS
By measuring the number and size of those tanks, Mr. Schmerler was able to effectively
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the missile’s interior and deduce information like the type of fuel used. Altogether, this reveals that the missile is designed for a range of thousands of miles — enough to reach Washington, D.C., if the technology is perfected.

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A Wave of Warheads

The potential range of North Korea’s current weapons, particularly the KN-14 and KN-08 missiles, would put most of the world in reach of its nuclear warheads.

Canada

KN-14

6,200 miles

United

States

KN-08

7,200 miles

Source: The James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies
By Troy Griggs
Melissa Hanham, also of the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, is pairing these findings with a series of
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North Korea has released of rocket engine tests, some for the KN-08. Analysis of the flame from the engine, particularly its color, confirm it’s designed to be able to reach the East Coast of the United States one day.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The implication of what I am reading above, is that people genuinely believe that the DPRK would somehow be sanguine about "Surgical Strikes" against their Strategic Defence Facilities?

This is what some of you are saying?
Nope, I'm not saying that. Quite to the contrary, I think chances are high any attack(s) by US-lead forces on the DPRK, surgical or not, could result in massive DPRK retaliations, but I'm not going on a limb with that thought, because most DPRK experts and pundits say similar things. I linked the supposedly from The Global Times article on Beijing turning a blind eye to surgical strikes for discussion purposes.
 
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