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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
NKsofhellmarch.jpeg
found a closer capture of the NKSOF guys browns, greens on a grey almost blue makes me think Rambo: First blood part 2 duckhunter but in a woodland pattern. nksofoff.jpeg
This guy is interesting... We get a couple close ups here first Leather fingerless gloves. must be a local maker. second a close up of the sunglasses. look like designer wear possibly ballistic but just as likely not. The Vest is in a digital pattern either PLA Universal or the old Army UCP and I am leaning to UCP Again the lighting conditions make it hard.
It resembles a Interceptor vest but it's not it may stop a pistol round but I doubt a rifle round.
he appears to be wearing an established North Korean woodland pattern It is not the same as the troops behind him. His hat... Oh North Koreans and unique hats. At first Glance I thought it was a Kepi but it's emblem and the way it sits I think it's more of an Albert shako. The style is... I can only guess they adopted it from the old Japanese Army tradition. The Shako fell out of favor by the 1850's for most with a number of nations adopting the lighter Kepi. the Shako occasionally came back but more for ceremonies the last users i can think of were the Germans who phased them out in the 1970's. But A camoflaged versions is... Well odd. The Shako and Kapi are like the Peaked Cap or the Side fold of the Naval Pork pie. You only would wear them for special occasions. and in this one's case it makes even less sense as it has that big shiny bullseye shaped insignia perfect for lining up on and letting the bullet drop into his face.
Also note the side arm center on the chest It's a North Korean copy of the CZ75 perhaps the world's most copied pistol. This is as the Czech republic in 1975 developed the pistol as a state weapon in the Warsaw pact. Because it was a "State Secret" CZ was granted a "Secret Patent" which protected the designers in the Czech Republic but they never filed a patent abroad, and soon enough Other makers East and west started making copies. Much like the AK the inventor of the property got nothing of his work well others made a killing.
 

FORBIN

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I have no idea. I am guessing a Coastal battery missile.
North Korea displays its mobile coastal defence missile systems
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North Korea displays new Pukguksong-2 nuclear-capable missiles during military parade
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North Korea unveils submarine-based missiles during military parade in the center of Pyongyang
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asif iqbal

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China no longer needs a buffer zone this is 2017 not 1950

China does not need the North it has to end some day

China should allow US to take the North Down
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
China no longer needs a buffer zone this is 2017 not 1950

China does not need the North it has to end some day

China should allow US to take the North Down
The issue isn't China's buffer zone north of the 38 parallel but its preference for zero US military presence on the entire Korean peninsula. If DPRK and ROK ever unite into a single country, then one of the price China will demand (and likely get) is US out of Korea.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
KN 17
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This new missile from Day of the Sun is getting some attention. note the fins on the upper structure of the missile.
For comparison This is a Scud A3
Scud-A_3.jpg
Same TEL same missile family, no fins.
They now think the KN 17 was the failed missile test, And it's obviously a Scud variant but with terminal maneuver which is being pointed to as a indication that this might be an attempt at a ASBM.
North Korea May Be Testing ‘Carrier Killer’ Missiles
Ryan Pickrell on April 18, 2017

North Korea appears to be testing a new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) as the U.S. Navy prepares to put pressure on the regime.

The North Korean ballistic missile tested Sunday was likely a KN-17, a new type of Scud, U.S. defense officials told Fox News Monday. The missile tested before President Donald Trump’s meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping may have also been one of the new weapons. Both missiles failed, exploding shortly after launch at Sinpo.

The missiles being tested are believed to be single-stage, liquid-fueled, anti-ship missiles, and the missiles appear to have been present in North Korea’s military parade Saturday.

The missile has fins around the nose cone, indicating that the North Koreans are experimenting with terminal phase maneuverability observes Ankit Panda, an editor for The Diplomat. He assesses that the weapon might function to a certain extent like a Korean version of China’s DF-21D ASBM, commonly referred to as a “carrier killer.”

The U.S. Navy carrier strike group is making its way towards waters off Korea. The USS Carl Vinson will be returning to the area after participating in joint military drills last month. While North Korea’s ASBM ambitions predate the U.S. Navy’s strategic plans, the timing of the tests is noteworthy. Numerous reports indicated the Vinson was already around the peninsula at the time of the test. However, new reports claim the aircraft carrier is near Indonesia. There is a slight possibility that North Korea may have been responding to early reports.

North Korea’s ASBM program is still in its infancy as the fact that the missiles continue to explode during tests proves. The North has several short-range anti-ship cruise missiles in its arsenal, which were also paraded Saturday. The weapons are carried on Transporter Erector Launchers (TELs) and are believed to be based on the Russian Kh-35.

In a conflict, the North would still be reliant on its cruise missiles and other weapons systems.

North Korea has tested two new ballistic missiles this year — the KN-15 (Pukguksong-2), a three-stage, solid-fueled mid-range missile tested February, and the KN-17.

The Trump administration is determined to bring an end to North Korean weapons testing, but Pyongyang refuses to back down. “We’ll be conducting more missile tests on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis,” North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Han Song-Ryol told BBC Monday.
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Is North Korea Working Toward a 'Carrier-Killer' Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile?
Say hello to the KN-17.

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, I didn’t have too much to say about one of the new missiles that Pyongyang decided to show off. The missile in question appeared to be a Scud/Nodong variant and — like the Pukkuksong-2 that we saw tested for the first time in February — was on a tracked transporter erector launcher (TEL). Notably, the missile had fins on its nose cone, suggesting that it was designed to offer a degree of maneuverability in its descent or terminal phase — a capability Pyongyang has not yet demonstrated, but expressed interest in acquiring.

North Korea hasn’t talked about that specific missile, but today, it appears that the U.S. government has gone public about what it might be. On Monday,
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that the missile North Korea tested on Sunday — the day after the military parade — was something called the KN-17. That represents a brand-new KN missile designation by the United States, which just weeks ago unveiled that it would be calling the Pukkuksong-2 the KN-15. The KN-17, according to a U.S. official that spoke to Fox, is a single-stage, liquid-fueled missile that — critically — could be used to target ships.

That’s right: North Korea may be working toward an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM).

This new information about the KN-17 also helps partly identify the mysterious projectile that was tested on April 5, which was incidentally also launched from land near the Sinpo shipyard like Sunday’s launch. (
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into North Korea’s Sinpo submarine base with satellite imagery.) That missile, which was initially assessed as a Scud, flew for just 60 kilometers with an apogee of 189 kilometers and, strangely, “pinwheeled” in descent, according U.S. Pacific Command.

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, the April 5 test’s failure, if it was indeed a Scud, could just be a reminder of “how uncertain the missile business can be.” Indeed, without any additional information, that seemed like a reasonable hypothesis. But North Korea has gotten quite confident in its short- and medium-range single-stage, liquid-fuel missiles. It’s partly why it may be using its ER-Scuds
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, for example.

Looking at the April 5 and April 16 launches from Sinpo makes a lot more sense with PACOM’s KN-17 reveal. The KN-17 is North Korea’s attempt to take a base that it is quite confident with — single-stage, liquid-fuel missiles — and experiment with terminal phase maneuverability. Presumably, the assessment U.S. officials gave to Fox News, that this missile could eventually come to serve the role of an anti-ship ballistic missile, is based on those factors alone. (Think something like China’s much-discussed solid-fuel DF-21D carrier-killer, but “Korean-style.”)

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also focused on U.S. attempts to disrupt North Korean missile development through so-called “left of launch” cyber methods. While we don’t know precisely what components of North Korea’s processes are being actively undermined by the United States, it’s possible that given the early development of Pyongyang’s ASBM, things are simply going wrong as they often do in testing and development in the ballistic missile business. (It is somewhat odd, though, that despite Pyongyang’s experience with liquid Scud-like systems, Sunday’s test exploded seconds after launch instead of making it through boost phase like the April 5 test.)

The specter of a North Korean ASBM program will no doubt spark commentary that Pyongyang will be the next to develop a robust anti-access/area denial capability, with “carrier-killer” missiles. That too might be premature. North Korea almost certainly still lacks the over-the-horizon radar capabilities and other associated intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capabilities that would allow it to credibility threaten, say, a U.S. aircraft carrier with a ballistic missile anytime soon.

In the near-term, North Korea already has its tried-and-tested short-range anti-ship cruise missiles, one variant of which was also prominently paraded on Saturday on tracked TELs painted in the Korean People’s Navy blue camouflage. Based on the subsonic Russian Kh-35, that system seems to be what Pyongyang is counting on most to repel surface ships from its shores in wartime, though it wouldn’t offer the long-range stand-off capabilities of an accurate ASBM. (North Korea also has its older KN-01s and reports a few years ago suggested it was looking to developed an
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ground-to-ground missile.)

A lot of this — like so many things related to North Korea — remains speculative. What is increasingly clear though is that Pyongyang is at least interested in maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs). MaRVs would have applications for Pyongyang outside of ASBM applications. For instance, after its Pukkuksong-2 test in February,
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that the test had “verified … the feature of evading interception,” which could refer to MaRV-like capabilities.

Though the Pukkuksong-2’s warhead didn’t have obviously protruding fins like the unidentified-but-likely-KN-17 missile we saw during Saturday’s parade, even rudimentary MaRVs would increase North Korea’s confidence in its ability to penetrate enemy missile defenses. Pyongyang is already looking into saturating systems like the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in South Korea with multiple missile launches; MaRVs would abet that effort. So, even if this doesn’t pan out to the end point of an ASBM, the KN-17 could be an important test-bed to help Pyongyang develop its MaRV know-how on a base that it knows well: single-stage, liquid-fuel missiles.

Finally, there’s a somewhat droll angle to Pyongyang’s testing of the KN-17 in April, if it indeed was an ASBM. Readers may recall that earlier this month, we saw reports that U.S. Pacific Command had directed the USS Carl Vinson strike group to the Korean peninsula, supposedly in anticipation of a nuclear test. Pacific Command did redirect the Vinson strike group on April 8 — three days after the first failed test out of Sinpo — but it was redirected to the Western Pacific — not the Korean peninsula.

Anyway, with the test dates for the KN-17 and the false reports about the Vinson‘s northbound trip, one wonders if Pyongyang’s test on Sunday could have additionally sought to signal a burgeoning ASBM capability
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— a shot across the bow of a ship that wasn’t even there, so to speak.

The alternative is, however, a simpler explanation and just as likely: North Korea is still just trying to develop its missile capabilities and improve its knowledge base in its inexorable quest for a guarantee against coercive regime change.

Editor’s Note:
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, where Melissa Hanham, an expert on North Korea’s missile programs, discuss the latest parade and the KN-17.


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Equation

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Is North Korea Working Toward a 'Carrier-Killer' Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile?
Say hello to the KN-17.

When I
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, I didn’t have too much to say about one of the new missiles that Pyongyang decided to show off. The missile in question appeared to be a Scud/Nodong variant and — like the Pukkuksong-2 that we saw tested for the first time in February — was on a tracked transporter erector launcher (TEL). Notably, the missile had fins on its nose cone, suggesting that it was designed to offer a degree of maneuverability in its descent or terminal phase — a capability Pyongyang has not yet demonstrated, but expressed interest in acquiring.

North Korea hasn’t talked about that specific missile, but today, it appears that the U.S. government has gone public about what it might be. On Monday,
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that the missile North Korea tested on Sunday — the day after the military parade — was something called the KN-17. That represents a brand-new KN missile designation by the United States, which just weeks ago unveiled that it would be calling the Pukkuksong-2 the KN-15. The KN-17, according to a U.S. official that spoke to Fox, is a single-stage, liquid-fueled missile that — critically — could be used to target ships.

That’s right: North Korea may be working toward an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM).

This new information about the KN-17 also helps partly identify the mysterious projectile that was tested on April 5, which was incidentally also launched from land near the Sinpo shipyard like Sunday’s launch. (
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into North Korea’s Sinpo submarine base with satellite imagery.) That missile, which was initially assessed as a Scud, flew for just 60 kilometers with an apogee of 189 kilometers and, strangely, “pinwheeled” in descent, according U.S. Pacific Command.

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, the April 5 test’s failure, if it was indeed a Scud, could just be a reminder of “how uncertain the missile business can be.” Indeed, without any additional information, that seemed like a reasonable hypothesis. But North Korea has gotten quite confident in its short- and medium-range single-stage, liquid-fuel missiles. It’s partly why it may be using its ER-Scuds
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, for example.

Looking at the April 5 and April 16 launches from Sinpo makes a lot more sense with PACOM’s KN-17 reveal. The KN-17 is North Korea’s attempt to take a base that it is quite confident with — single-stage, liquid-fuel missiles — and experiment with terminal phase maneuverability. Presumably, the assessment U.S. officials gave to Fox News, that this missile could eventually come to serve the role of an anti-ship ballistic missile, is based on those factors alone. (Think something like China’s much-discussed solid-fuel DF-21D carrier-killer, but “Korean-style.”)

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also focused on U.S. attempts to disrupt North Korean missile development through so-called “left of launch” cyber methods. While we don’t know precisely what components of North Korea’s processes are being actively undermined by the United States, it’s possible that given the early development of Pyongyang’s ASBM, things are simply going wrong as they often do in testing and development in the ballistic missile business. (It is somewhat odd, though, that despite Pyongyang’s experience with liquid Scud-like systems, Sunday’s test exploded seconds after launch instead of making it through boost phase like the April 5 test.)

The specter of a North Korean ASBM program will no doubt spark commentary that Pyongyang will be the next to develop a robust anti-access/area denial capability, with “carrier-killer” missiles. That too might be premature. North Korea almost certainly still lacks the over-the-horizon radar capabilities and other associated intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capabilities that would allow it to credibility threaten, say, a U.S. aircraft carrier with a ballistic missile anytime soon.

In the near-term, North Korea already has its tried-and-tested short-range anti-ship cruise missiles, one variant of which was also prominently paraded on Saturday on tracked TELs painted in the Korean People’s Navy blue camouflage. Based on the subsonic Russian Kh-35, that system seems to be what Pyongyang is counting on most to repel surface ships from its shores in wartime, though it wouldn’t offer the long-range stand-off capabilities of an accurate ASBM. (North Korea also has its older KN-01s and reports a few years ago suggested it was looking to developed an
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ground-to-ground missile.)

A lot of this — like so many things related to North Korea — remains speculative. What is increasingly clear though is that Pyongyang is at least interested in maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs). MaRVs would have applications for Pyongyang outside of ASBM applications. For instance, after its Pukkuksong-2 test in February,
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that the test had “verified … the feature of evading interception,” which could refer to MaRV-like capabilities.

Though the Pukkuksong-2’s warhead didn’t have obviously protruding fins like the unidentified-but-likely-KN-17 missile we saw during Saturday’s parade, even rudimentary MaRVs would increase North Korea’s confidence in its ability to penetrate enemy missile defenses. Pyongyang is already looking into saturating systems like the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in South Korea with multiple missile launches; MaRVs would abet that effort. So, even if this doesn’t pan out to the end point of an ASBM, the KN-17 could be an important test-bed to help Pyongyang develop its MaRV know-how on a base that it knows well: single-stage, liquid-fuel missiles.

Finally, there’s a somewhat droll angle to Pyongyang’s testing of the KN-17 in April, if it indeed was an ASBM. Readers may recall that earlier this month, we saw reports that U.S. Pacific Command had directed the USS Carl Vinson strike group to the Korean peninsula, supposedly in anticipation of a nuclear test. Pacific Command did redirect the Vinson strike group on April 8 — three days after the first failed test out of Sinpo — but it was redirected to the Western Pacific — not the Korean peninsula.

Anyway, with the test dates for the KN-17 and the false reports about the Vinson‘s northbound trip, one wonders if Pyongyang’s test on Sunday could have additionally sought to signal a burgeoning ASBM capability
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— a shot across the bow of a ship that wasn’t even there, so to speak.

The alternative is, however, a simpler explanation and just as likely: North Korea is still just trying to develop its missile capabilities and improve its knowledge base in its inexorable quest for a guarantee against coercive regime change.

Editor’s Note:
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They can build the missile alone, but that's not enough. They would also need a full set of satellites and other tracking systems to find AND locked onto the carrier.
 

MwRYum

Major
China no longer needs a buffer zone this is 2017 not 1950

China does not need the North it has to end some day

China should allow US to take the North Down
First you need to understand what's at stake for China in all these.

The issue is no longer 38th parallel, or should we say it never was - the real bottom line is that China won't tolerate having US Army personnel and hardware on the banks of Yalu River, and USN river patrol craft running all along the Yalu River. To simply put, having its industrial heartland in the north within conventional firepower reach, with the US known to have an itchy trigger finger- which has been far less than friendly if not outright hostile towards China since 1990s - is nowhere acceptable to Beijing.

That said, it's increasingly amongst the Chinese that they don't like "Kim The Fatty", troublemaker all round and a real despot who's notorious for "innovative" in the "art of execution". Now, keeping North Korea and keeping the Kim dynasty isn't necessary one and the same, so long as whichever option that can keep Chinese border safe from land-based hostile firepower, and cheap on the pricetag, that'd be the option Beijing going to take.

As such, even today Beijing still needs North Korea to keep the front line as far away from Chinese border as they could. Given China had been screwed by the US (be it under the guise of "accident", "clerical error", or creeping escalation such as the THAAD saga) many times since the 1990s, how'd you suggest to Beijing then? Trust Washington simply on a wing and a prayer?

I really wonder how Donald Trump would try to sell the idea of getting rid of "Kim The Fatty" is something of a "Win-win" to Xi Jinping, in just one dinner sitting? The most realistic sales pitch would be to "Poland-ise" (with reference to how Germany and USSR carved up Poland) North Korea in such a scenario, or whatever idea along this line.
 

lucretius

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Chinese "peacekeepers" North of the demarcation line, Americans can keep their southern base.

Korea unifies under Seoul and rebuilds.

All sides benefit ultimately

An opportunity for the Americans and Chinese to work together productively for once as well.
 
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