US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

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Here is another 6th generation fighter plan.

Amazing that Airbus is maintaining a twin engine, twin tailed, two place next gen fighter??? Heh! Heh! Heh!, seems they are thinking more in line with AFB than US folks trying to get rid of fighter pilots, they are adding a WSO back into the mix. Smart move gang, glad to see somebody is keep their eye on the ball!
 

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Excerpts about the Penetrating Counter Air from a longer article about the B-21 Raider

CORRECTION Lt. Gen. James Holmes, deputy chief of strategic plans and requirements,CORRECT ENDS Walden made clear the Air Force will probably pursue a deep penetrating fighter to accompany the bomber to heavily defended targets deep inside a country. He didn’t say it but my understanding is war games have shown the B-21 is incapable of making it to western China to destroy the missile and artillery units there.

The aircraft concept is called Penetrating Counter-Air (PCA). The program, I understand is called PCAP.

Here’s what Air Superiority 2030 Flight Plan says about PCA:

“PCA will focus on maximizing tradeoffs between range, payload, survivability, lethality, affordability, and supportability. While PCA capability will certainly have a role in targeting and engaging, it also has a significant role as a
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, providing data from its penetrating sensors to enable employment using either stand-off or stand-in weapons.”

This seems consistent with rumors that the Air Force is pursuing a new program to build an aircraft to accompany the bomber deep into western China, where the
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has its facilities and many of China’s most important capabilities.

I’ve spoken with a number of industry experts who assume PCAP will be a program. They also decline to discuss it any detail, saying the threats and capabilities are classified.

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What?! The?!

Ok, so to build a 6th generation fighter that can escort the B-21 into western China (?! What happened to cruise missiles?), you'll need something that's at least 60-70 tons in maximum takeoff weight*. Even if you could trust and depend on an autonomous (there's no way its going to be remotely piloted) UAV, that's still be pretty large (and large UAVs are very expensive by themselves, too).

No to mention that if you make the PCA so big and capable via the magic of feature creep, it might as well replace the B-21 instead.

If it's supersonic, each PCA could end up costing almost as much as a B-21. And then there's the question of how it's going to fare against whatever Chinese 5.5/6th generation fighters are around at the time, who are likely to have numerical superiority and whatever IADS network exists.

If it's not supersonic, that raises questions about how it's going to survive when the B-21 will have trouble going deep into China.

*Sure, you could try to refuel a smaller PCA (like FB/22 size?) with a stealthy KC-Z tanker, but if the B-21 is supposed to have trouble going to western China, I'm not sure how survivable the KC-Z is going to be coming near the cost of China.

The only technical solution that this remotely makes any sense is if PCA in this instance is a long range UCAV with a couple of high power laser weapons and some sensors to mitigate attacks against the B-21s by spotting them, jamming and zapping enemy missiles, as opposed to picking fights with PLAAF figthers, drones and land based air defenses.
 

Equation

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Excerpts about the Penetrating Counter Air from a longer article about the B-21 Raider



What?! The?!

Ok, so to build a 6th generation fighter that can escort the B-21 into western China (?! What happened to cruise missiles?), you'll need something that's at least 60-70 tons in maximum takeoff weight*. Even if you could trust and depend on an autonomous (there's no way its going to be remotely piloted) UAV, that's still be pretty large (and large UAVs are very expensive by themselves, too).

No to mention that if you make the PCA so big and capable via the magic of feature creep, it might as well replace the B-21 instead.

If it's supersonic, each PCA could end up costing almost as much as a B-21. And then there's the question of how it's going to fare against whatever Chinese 5.5/6th generation fighters are around at the time, who are likely to have numerical superiority and whatever IADS network exists.

If it's not supersonic, that raises questions about how it's going to survive when the B-21 will have trouble going deep into China.

*Sure, you could try to refuel a smaller PCA (like FB/22 size?) with a stealthy KC-Z tanker, but if the B-21 is supposed to have trouble going to western China, I'm not sure how survivable the KC-Z is going to be coming near the cost of China.

The only technical solution that this remotely makes any sense is if PCA in this instance is a long range UCAV with a couple of high power laser weapons and some sensors to mitigate attacks against the B-21s by spotting them, jamming and zapping enemy missiles, as opposed to picking fights with PLAAF figthers, drones and land based air defenses.

Dem China's quantum anti-stealth radar systems and other programs are making life difficult for dem Pentagon boys to bully China into regime changing.:D:p
 

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Meet Boeing's Latest Next-Gen Fighter Concept
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  • Boeing is out with new concept art for the U.S. Air Force’s next-generation fighter jet, a sleek, tail-less design featuring conformal engine inlets and what looks like a manned cockpit.

    The latest image, provided to Aviation Week Nov. 1, looks more like a fighter-bomber than a pure fighter. The tail-less airframe, thin swept wings and conformal shaping suggest a stealthy, penetrating aircraft that may be able to fly supersonic. The silhouette of a pilot inside the cockpit indicates Boeing is banking on the Air Force sticking with at least an optionally manned platform for the future capability.



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    Boeing’s new vision comes as the Air Force begins to solidify a plan for the next generation of air superiority, alternatively called “sixth-generation fighter,” “next-generation air dominance,” F-X,” and most recently “Penetrating Counterair” (PCA). The service just
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    an Air Force Scientific Advisory Board (AFSAB) study that will begin identifying key capabilities needed to fight in the battlefield of 2030 ahead of a formal analysis of alternatives (AoA) for PCA.

    The Air Force’s “Air Superiority 2030” initiative identified a hybrid PCA capability as key to ensuring air superiority in future denied battlespaces characterized by sophisticated air defense systems and counterair technologies. But so far, the Air Force has only described PCA in relatively broad terms.

    We do know that PCA will be a “family-of-systems,” and will likely include some kind of next-generation stealth fighter to operate alongside and eventually replace Lockheed Martin’s F-22s and F-35s. It may also incorporate the new arsenal plane concept, where multiple sensor-shooter aircraft direct fire from an aerial bomb truck crammed with munitions.

    Compare Boeing's newest iteration of the notional fighter capability with an older rendering the company has previously released:



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    The AFSAB study, announced Oct. 27, will begin to define the key operational characteristics of a PCA capability. The pre-AoA effort will examine likely adversaries, identify and assess relevant technologies, and determine the timelines and investments needed to mature them. The study aims to provide a technology roadmap to support developing and fielding of an initial PCA capability in 2030.

    AFSAB plans to brief top Air Force brass on the results of the study in July 2017, and publish a report in December 2017. The study will support
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    , which is expected to kick off in January.

    Stay tuned for more information about Boeing's next-generation fighter vision.
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How the U.S. Military Plans to Save Stealth from Becoming Obsolete
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As Russia and China continue to improve their air defenses, stealth is increasingly becoming a perishable commodity.



While stealth technology will not become obsolete per se, the U.S. Air Force and particularly U.S. Navy official have said that low observables will have to be supplemented with electronic warfare. Indeed, Air Combat Command believes that the next-generation Penetrating Counter Air (PCA) replacement for the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor will likely
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. But tomorrow’s electronic warfare systems will be far more advanced than anything currently flying.

DARPA—and companies like Raytheon and BAE Systems—are developing advanced new electronic warfare systems that would use artificial intelligence technology to automatically learn how to jam a previously unencountered signal. Currently, only dedicated electronic attack aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler can identify and jam an unknown threat emitter because it carries a trained electronic warfare officer onboard. Other tactical aircraft including the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter rely on preprogrammed threat libraries—which must be periodically updated—to counter hostile radars.

In the future, however, new “cognitive” jammers will be able to identify and jam a signal autonomously. “Jammers must be smart enough to counter threat advances by instantaneously recognizing signals –even if they morph on the fly– and immediately generate the waveforms to effectively jam them,” said Dan Theisen, Raytheon’s
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. “Systems must be able to learn and react during an engagement; true, cognitive EW.”

Raytheon claims to have made “significant progress” in developing the technological underpinnings of a cognitive electronic warfare system—which would be able to overcome agile modern enemy radars and handle uncertain and noisy inputs. Indeed, the company claims to have developed software that can attack input signals that were not pre-programmed into a threat library.

Eventually, the company hopes to develop a genuine artificial intelligence-based cognitive electronic warfare system. “We’ve got to put our long-term thinking cap on to stay ahead,” Theisen said. “The future is about spectrum manipulation, and the electronic tools that you need to defend or prosecute a mission.”

If cognitive electronic warfare pans out, it would afford U.S. forces a huge advantage over new enemy air defense systems—which also increasingly make use of software reprogrammable waveforms. The technology could not only be applied to next-generation platforms such as the PCA or the Navy’s Next Generation Air Dominance—or F/A-XX—but also to existing tactical aircraft such as the F-22 and F-35. But so could existing fourth-generation tactical fighters—extending those machines’ lease on life by increasing their ability to survive in high threat environments.
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Personally I still kinda hope for USAF F22C, F35E, USMC F35F and USN F35G with an F/A40.
 

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Personally I still kinda hope for USAF F22C, F35E, USMC F35F and USN F35G with an F/A40.

Yes we definitely need an F-22C, we'll see how the F-35 matures, but you are no doubt right, it will be upgradable.

The old dog just rolled over, and I gotta admit I love the concept bird,,,, as long as we have a manned aircraft,,,, I am warming up to tailess tactical aircraft....stealth is still the way to go, look at the recent F-35 Red Flag 17-1, very kool, and very effective, LOVE IT!
 
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now I read Trump Seeks Sharp Funding Increase For Next-Gen Fighter
President Donald Trump is seeking a steep increase in funding this year to develop the U.S. Air Force’s next-generation fighter.

The request is part of the White House’s supplemental budget plan for fiscal 2017, which seeks to boost the Obama administration’s fiscal 2017 defense spending plan by $30 billion overall.

The full supplemental request is very unlikely to pass Congress because it is primarily funded through the base budget, which is subject to Budget Control Act (BCA) caps. Lifting the caps would require 60 votes in the Senate, which the White House is not likely to get.

Still, the proposed investment in the Air Force’s sixth-generation fighter signals the administration’s seriousness about moving quickly to modernize the service’s tactical fighter fleet beyond the stealthy
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The supplemental request, unveiled March 16, includes a significant spike in research and development funding for “Next Generation Air Dominance” (NGAD), now known as Penetrating Counterair (PCA), the new air superiority fighter planned to follow the
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Raptor. President Obama’s fiscal 2017 budget request funded NGAD at just $21 million out of the research, development, test and evaluation (RDT&E) account.

Trump’s supplemental request increases that funding eight-fold, to $168 million.

The funding spike in the supplemental indicates the Air Force may be looking to move more quickly than planned into the technology development phase for the next-generation fighter. Due to budget constraints, the Air Force was forced to cut funding for PCA in its fiscal 2017 budget request, which the service expected to delay progress on the program, explained spokeswoman Ann Stefanek. The additional funds provided in the supplemental allow the Air Force to get PCA back on track.

“To stay on the timeline that was laid out in Air Superiority 2030, that money was always necessary,” Stefanek said. “If we hadn’t gotten the extra money, we may have started to fall behind on that timeline.”

The service recently kicked off an analysis of alternatives for PCA, which is expected to last between one year and 18 months. PCA will be a family of systems, with many capabilities likely disaggregated onto different platforms, but will likely include some kind of next-generation stealth fighter. This platform will operate alongside and eventually replace
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’s F-22s and F-35s.

The effort to accelerate development of the sixth-generation fighter appears to have a powerful ally on Capitol Hill. Rep. Mac Thornberry, (R-Texas), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, is urging the Pentagon to “hurry” in developing new technology to counter emerging capabilities being fielded by potential adversaries.

“It’s not just a question of the money being available; it’s also a question of how fast you can get technology from the laboratory into the hands of the warfighter,” Thornberry said March 16. “Not only are the threats moving quickly, technology is advancing quickly, particularly when you start looking at key peer competitors like Russia and China it becomes somewhat scary.”

The budget documents do not include a similar increase in funding for the U.S. Navy’s next-generation fighter, also known as F/A-XX. RDT&E funding for the project remains flat at $1.2 million.
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