China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

tidalwave

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Don't know, don't care. Do you have a link or do you not?

That dude is a chinese public figure and when he rebuked Japan on that it means Japan already had made those statements.

I don't have any japan links.

Take it or Leave it.
 

Omniscience

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Hello, long time lurker here. Apologies if anyone's posted this already but I found reports of Chinese forces, albeit not necessarily PLA, deployed in Afghanistan quite interesting. Doesn't seem like many people have picked up on it.

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A mystery over recent sightings of Chinese military vehicles patrolling inside Afghanistan deepened last week as Beijing denied its troops were in Afghanistan but confirmed it was undertaking “joint counter-terrorism operations” with Kabul.

The disclosure comes as China steps up its involvement with its western neighbour amid a gradual withdrawal by US forces from the war-ravaged country.

Ren Guoqiang, a spokesman for the People’s Liberation Army, was asked about reports of Chinese troops inside Afghanistan at a defence ministry press conference on Thursday. He flatly denied any military involvement but said that “the law enforcement authorities of the two sides have conducted joint law enforcement operations in border areas to fight against terrorism”, according to an official transcript of the remarks made available Friday.

“The report that the Chinese military patrolled in Afghanistan is false,” he said. An effort Friday to clarify whether there were any Chinese non-military patrols on the Afghan side of the border was met with the same response.

Col Ren was referring to a number of witness reports and photos appearing to show Chinese military vehicles patrolling inside Afghanistan in recent months.

The first photos were published on November 3, when Wion, an Indian news website, reported the presence of Chinese military vehicles in the Wakhan corridor, a mountainous strip of land between the Pamir and Karakoram mountain ranges that extends all the way to the border with China.

In February, the Central Asia-Caucasus Analyst, a think-tank, published a report citing “overwhelming evidence” including statements of diplomats, as well as an unnamed Chinese official, that Chinese troops were patrolling inside Afghanistan, though the article also cited a denial by Sediq Sediqi, a spokesman for Afghanistan’s ministry of internal affairs.

Justin Bronk, an analyst at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said a denial by Beijing that the Chinese military was involved might not rule out a military-style operation by police. “Clearly in a place like Afghanistan, law enforcement and military patrols are rather blurred terms” he said.

He said published photos of the alleged patrols showed two types of Chinese vehicles — the Dongfeng EQ 2050, similar to the US Humvee, and the Norinco VP 11, a mine resistant vehicle. Both are military vehicles, said Mr Bronk, but could be used in a law enforcement capacity.

If an agreement on joint patrolling exists, it would not the first such arrangement of extraterritorial law enforcement that China has with a border state. Since December 2011, China, Laos, Myanmar and Thailand have completed dozens of joint police patrols on the Mekong river, aiming to crack down on crime in the region. Those patrols follow the brutal murder of 13 Chinese sailors on a stretch of the Mekong by suspected drug smugglers in Oct 2011.

The motivations for China to deepen its involvement in Afghanistan are several. Beijing fears contagion from Islamic extremism, while Chinese companies also hold key mining and hydrocarbons concessions across Afghanistan.

“China's main focus is counter-terrorism,” said Andrew Small, an expert on China at the German Marshall Fund. He added that the Turkistan Islamic Party, a separatist organisation that China has linked to terror attacks, was believed to have its headquarters in Badakhshan, the Afghan province neighbouring China.

Often accused of being a “free rider” that benefits from the security provided by US forces in Afghanistan, China has also been forced to respond to the likelihood of an eventual US withdrawal from the country.

“It’s impossible to see what China is doing outside the context of the US drawdown, which forced China, reluctantly, to face up to the fact that it will have to take on greater responsibility for security in its western periphery,” said Mr Small.

In 2014 former US President Barack Obama announced that US forces would leave Afghanistan by the end of his term in office, though due to the worsening security environment 8,400 have stayed on since a partial drawdown was completed in December.
 

N00813

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Hello, long time lurker here. Apologies if anyone's posted this already but I found reports of Chinese forces, albeit not necessarily PLA, deployed in Afghanistan quite interesting. Doesn't seem like many people have picked up on it.

The theory is built on sightings of possibly-Chinese built military vehicles. They could be owned and operated by anyone from PLA Spec Ops to Central-Asian PMCs. The Afghan government could have also bought a few vehicles for evaluation.

In my opinion, the pictures are not sufficient evidence of official Chinese involvement.
 
Hello, long time lurker here. Apologies if anyone's posted this already but I found reports of Chinese forces, albeit not necessarily PLA, deployed in Afghanistan quite interesting. Doesn't seem like many people have picked up on it.

Maybe it has something to do with this?

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solarz

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Official words out of japan that defense of taiwan becomes its national defense. Holy smoke! How did that happen.

If China wants to take back taiwan, it has to take care of japan first.

另据台湾“中央社”2月24日报道,针对日本防卫省报告将台湾作为与大陆并列的国家政治实体,外交部发言人耿爽24日说,已向日方提出严正交涉,敦促日方以实际行动践行坚持“一个中国”原则的承诺,在涉台议题上谨言慎行

Are you saying that Japan decided to incorporate Taiwan's defence into its own defence?

That's not what your quote is saying. It says China has lodged a protest against Japan for publishing a Defence Report that referred to Taiwan as a country.
 

AZaz09dude

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The theory is built on sightings of possibly-Chinese built military vehicles. They could be owned and operated by anyone from PLA Spec Ops to Central-Asian PMCs. The Afghan government could have also bought a few vehicles for evaluation.

In my opinion, the pictures are not sufficient evidence of official Chinese involvement.

Perhaps they are Chinese police? They have been seen using those MRAPs before.

The VP-11s seen in Afghanistan:

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In use with police:

The vehicle on the far right is definitely the same model as the one in the first picture
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