American Economics Thread

mr.bean

Junior Member
uh you guys realize in the US-Mexico relationship, it's the US that calls the shots right? US is the boss and Mexico is the worker. that's why Mexico has no choice but to renegotiate NAFTA with Trump (so does Canada btw).
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Any thoughts. on Foxconn toying with the idea of establishing a display manufacturing plant in the U.S.

I daresay Trump will try to claim credit if it happens.

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. Makes me wonder how much of a role the Taiwan regime had in this development.

Payment for the Trump phone call? If so, that's one well of a premium call!

Assembly line jobs somewhere in the red states where union workers are non existence or have very little power and hiring of only a few thousand jobs the most before laying them off again after a dozen years for minimal wages?
 

b787

Captain
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We're in for interesting times ahead. I know like with Trump he doesn't think of the consequences because he believes the US needs no one so there would be no consequences. As Trump turns the screws on Mexico, it'll be interesting to see what Mexico does. Since Trump is going to target China too, maybe we'll see a Chinese surveillance aircraft taking off from Mexico flying up and down the US coast 12 miles off-shore.
highly unlikely you will see that.
Mexico has 30 million people in the USA, trump will fail, the US worker is paid 16 times more than a Mexican, already BMW said not to trump, the US consumer will pay more for their cars, their food, in fact i am as a Mexican happy to see Trump doing all those foolish things, he will destroy the US economy, in fact in order to compete with China, the USA needs Mexico, I see stronger Mexico in 2025, and a weaker USA in that time, China will be stronger, Mexico will be stronger and South America will finally get rid of US dominance
 

b787

Captain
Yeah there are enough people in Congress that will stop Trump before you start hearing people cry out, "Who lost Mexico!" It really depends on how angry Mexico is with Trump. China doesn't have to do anything.
the people are very angry, the politicians very afraid, the question is Mexican workers are getting poorer, the USA more intransigent and demanding more and more, the string will break, as you said they will ask who lost Mexico

see this video people are already asking for more links with China

 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Trump just announced he is actually going to build his magical Mexican wonder wall.

Huge surge in Mexican imports of Chinese ladders and shovels soon?

On a more serious note, I wonder just how he plans on making Mexico pay for this folly? Any extra duty or tarriff will surely break WTO rules?

The only way I can see him doing that without the WTO ripping him a new one is if it is explicitly not related to trade. So maybe if the US introduced new legislations to bill Mexico for US boarder security costs (by arguing Mexico isn't doing its 'fair' share to stop illegal immigration), which will include the wall costs.

Then the US could bill Mexico for the wall, and seize Mexican government property inside the US if Mexico refuses to pony up.

Not an expert on international law, so not sure if there are any laws that would prevent this, but I think this will at least get around the WTO issue.

The other question is I am not sure if the Mexican government has $8bn of property in the US for Trump to seize if he did go down this route.

Trying to seize the property of Mexican companies and/or individuals to make good on the 'debt' of the Mexican state is unlikely to fly.

But this is Trump after all. He may just say 'sod it' to all the rules and laws and just bank on raw US power to bully weaker countries, safe in the knowledge they haven't got the strength to fight back even with the WTO and every other court in the world backing them.

If Trump wants to make the US a rouge state and Congress hasn't got the balls to stop him, there isn't really any power on earth that can stop him really.

The likes of Russia and China will fight their own corners and defend their own interests, but everyone else is either too weak or too subjugated by the US to have the will to stand up against the US.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. Makes me wonder how much of a role the Taiwan regime had in this development.

Payment for the Trump phone call? If so, that's one well of a premium call!

Foxconn's Terry Guo is no fan of Tsai Ingwen and the DPP (his whole family are ''blue'' supporters). his possible setting up a plant in the US is just a business decision to curry favors with Trump. since he makes so many of those Iphones, making some in the US is just good PR with the new administration.
 
in case you didn't know Dow's climb from 10,000 to 20,000 was unusually slow
The Dow Jones Industrial Average
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hit 20,000 for the first time ever on Wednesday in an ascent from 10,000 that has taken almost two decades.

It took just 42 sessions for the Dow to climb between 19,000 and 20,000, the second-fastest rise between 1,000-point milestones in the average's 120-year history.

The Dow's surge in recent months has been fueled by expectations that U.S. President Donald Trump will deregulate banks and stimulate the economy. Hitting 20,000 is seen by some as a psychological milestone that underscores Wall Street's recent optimism.

But longer-term, the Dow's performance appears less impressive. Its ascent from 10,000 to 20,000, doubling in value, has been sluggish compared to the time it took for the Dow to double in value three times in the late 1980s and 1990s.

If the Dow closes above 20,000 on Wednesday, it will have taken nearly 18 years for the average to double after it closed at 10,000 in early 1999 at the height of the dot-com boom.
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