CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Hendrik_2000]

Last I looked, there isn't much similarities between EMALS and supercomputers. The fact China can excel in the latter doesn't mean it could do so in the former. I personally don't doubt China will get EMALS working, if it so chooses, but currently, it's still experimenting.

I don't think so . The fact that they have built a pilot training facility using emal show that the technology is already mature and ready to be used in aircraft carrier.

China has highly developed civilian Maglev and linear motor industry. So here you have the civilian and the military research institute working in tandem.

In fact the testing facility was built by Dago who supplied the linear motor for Maglev train. I never heard company called Dago. US doesn't have the equivalent of civilian Maglev industry.

And don't forget that China has research the related railgun technology about the same time as the US . So it should not be confused with Aero Engine where China is late comer
There is this professor who is the early adopter of rail gun technology I forgot his name

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Here is the testing facility for emal look large and extensive to me comprising several buidling

 

[Intrepid]

USN EMALS reliability still isn't where it needs to be at, so it's difficult to imagine that China is anywhere close.

As I know it is the distribution system from three current storage systems (with four flywheels each) to four catapults, that isn't reliable. If the Chinese use an other distribution system, they may have other or no problems.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Any one still has condescending view of how advance the Chinese research into electromagnetic launch technology should check this list of papers at the symposium for electromagnetic launch held in Beijing 2012

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China is now one of the major players in electromagnetic launchers; in 2012 it hosted the 16th International Symposium on Electromagnetic Launch Technology (EML 2012) at Beijing.

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Satellite imagery in late 2010 suggested that tests were being conducted at an armor and artillery range near

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[Blackstone]

Any one still has condescending view of how advance the Chinese research into electromagnetic launch technology should check this list of papers at the symposium for electromagnetic launch held in Beijing 2012

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China is now one of the major players in electromagnetic launchers; in 2012 it hosted the 16th International Symposium on Electromagnetic Launch Technology (EML 2012) at Beijing.

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Papers and symposiums are all well and good, but the proof of the pudding is in eating it. We'll see what happens when CV002 comes to the fore.

 

[Blitzo]

Papers and symposiums are all well and good, but the proof of the pudding is in eating it. We'll see what happens when CV002 comes to the fore.

No, but Hendrik's underlying point is true, which is that too many foreign observers often do not seem to look for the right places for relevant information that should be factored into their predictions and projections of Chinese military developments...

 

[jobjed]

Huh? What does the TaihuLight have to do with EMALS development? China is not new to supercomputing! Sunway previously build a supercomputer with thier own CPU - BlueLight MPP (2011). Dawning has been making supercomputers since 1995. They have plenty of experience in that field. That does not apply to CATOBAR carriers.

Supercomputing has nothing to do with EMALS. You can't extrapolate the progress in one field from progress in the other.

Likewise, US EMALS R&D has nothing to do with Chinese EMALS R&D. You can't extrapolate the progress in one country from progress in another. Lethe's comment is taking Chinese inferiority as a given. I simply showed him how faulty his logic was; China can and has surpassed the US in many fields, there is no reason for him to think EMALS isn't also one of these fields.

 

[Blitzo]

Supercomputing has nothing to do with EMALS. You can't extrapolate the progress in one field from progress in the other.

Likewise, US EMALS R&D has nothing to do with Chinese EMALS R&D. You can't extrapolate the progress in one country from progress in another. Lethe's comment is taking Chinese inferiority as a given. I simply showed him how faulty his logic was; China can and has surpassed the US in many fields, there is no reason for him to think EMALS isn't also one of these fields.

Yes, I agree.

I think there was definitely a time not so long ago where one could make the assertion that whatever the US could achieve or could not achieve was also the practical "upper limit" of what China could develop at that period...

But this logic doesn't work as well anymore and things need to be seen in a more case by case basis.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Supercomputing has nothing to do with EMALS. You can't extrapolate the progress in one field from progress in the other.

Likewise, US EMALS R&D has nothing to do with Chinese EMALS R&D. You can't extrapolate the progress in one country from progress in another. Lethe's comment is taking Chinese inferiority as a given. I simply showed him how faulty his logic was; China can and has surpassed the US in many fields, there is no reason for him to think EMALS isn't also one of these fields.

Actually he can since we're talking about the same type of product utilizing similar technologies.

If China is making apples and US oranges then you certainly have a point and I would agree. Like you said it is likely that in some fields, China may have progressed further or even in fields where the US may have stopped or slowed down it's research while China ramped up hers.

In regards to EMALS however I do not believe it to be the case.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Everybody has their own biases but China has been researching this emal for a long time and She has highly developed civilian industry to complement the research institute. So I won't be so easy to depreciate China effort . That what the father of China emal think. Whether it is adapted for CV02 is a political decision and not technical one

Navy expert: China's electromagnetic launch technology no inferior to America

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) 2015-03-10

Rear Admiral Ma Weiming (R), power and electrical engineering specialist of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLAN). (File Photo)

　　BEIJING, March 10 (ChinaMil) -- Rear Admiral Ma Weiming, power and electrical engineering specialist of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLAN), said recently that China's catapult-assisted take-off technology for carrier-borne aircraft has no problem at all, and is even no inferior to that of America.

　　The public is very concerned about whether the first truly China-made aircraft carrier will adopt the ski-jump take-off technology of the "Liaoning" aircraft-carrier, or directly use the current top electromagnetic catapult-assisted take-off technology. It's known to all that once breakthroughs are made in the catapult-assisted take-off technology, the combat radius and bomb load of the carrier-borne aircraft will be greatly increased.

　　Rear Admiral Ma Weiming, inventor of China's electromagnetic catapult and specialist in electrical engineering, pointed out that China's catapult-assisted take-off technology for the carrier-borne aircraft has no problem at all and has been proved successful in various repeated tests. He emphasized that China's catapult-assisted take-off technology in hand is no inferior to that of America, and is even more advanced.

　　Ma Weiming has won the First Prize of National Scientific and Technological Progress Award and First Prize of the Military Scientific and Technological Progress Award for a number of times. He is called a "national-treasure-class" technical rear admiral.

　　After the reporter questioned closely about whether the China-made aircraft carrier will use the electromagnetic catapult, Ma Weiming joked, "I am just a worker."

　　Pointing to the one star on his uniform, he said he is just a technical rear admiral and is only responsible for developing useable technologies, and that only high-ranking military officials can decide which kind of technical plan is adopted.

 

[Lethe]

Given that outside this forum I'm usually presenting the "pro-China" case against skeptics and critics of various kinds, and have recently been accused on this forum of having a "China stronk" mentality, it's kind of amusing to learn that I am now "biased" against China for assuming that it's EMALS tech is probably not as mature and reliable as that featured in a carrier due to be commissioned next year, and which is by all accounts still underperforming relative to design objectives.

In any case, the point about China's greater civilian experience with related technologies is well taken. Let's hope we don't have to wait until CV-002 is commissioned before learning which catapult technology it is using.