PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

[asif iqbal]

VERY sqaured away !

 

[asif iqbal]

Here is my own speculation:

001: STOBAR; conventional power; 65,000 tons; 2012
001A: STOBAR; conventional power; 65,000 tons; 2019
002: CATOBAR (EM cat); conventional power; 75,000 tons; 2024
003: CATOBOAR (EM cat); nuclear power; 90,000 tons; 2030
004: CATOBOAR (EM cat); nuclear power; 100,000 tons; 2035
005: CATOBOAR (EM cat); nuclear power; 100,000 tons; 2040
006: CATOBAR (EM cat); nuclear power; 100,000 tons; 2045
007: same as above, replaces 001; 2050

A long term goal of 7 carriers would allow a constant 2 carrier on-station presence anywhere in the world.

Don't think anyone can predict that far ahead

CV-16 STOBAR for development and design purpose
CV-17 STOBAR enhanced hanger area for more optimised operations
CV-18 CATOBAR with ability to launch heavier aircraft with longer range

2 X STOBAR regional areas
1 X CATOBAR international areas

Beyond that is anyone's guess

 

[Intrepid]

CV-17 STOBAR enhanced hanger area for more optimised operations

We could observe, that there is no enhanced hangar area.

 

[FORBIN]

enhanced hangar

What you mean get you details ?

 

[Iron Man]

Don't think anyone can predict that far ahead

CV-16 STOBAR for development and design purpose
CV-17 STOBAR enhanced hanger area for more optimised operations
CV-18 CATOBAR with ability to launch heavier aircraft with longer range

2 X STOBAR regional areas
1 X CATOBAR international areas

Beyond that is anyone's guess

Technically, past CV-17 is anyone's guess. BTW, 1 CATOBAR carrier for "international" areas means 2/3 or even 3/4 of the time no "international" carrier will actually be available on station.

 

[weig2000]

Liaoning presumably yet retired, Varyag initialy "stored" in Ukraine during 15 years... and definitely don' t have a life time very long, in more not quality than a US.

7 seems right now very optimistic, in majority of reports i see max 4 same as India, for 2030/35 about.

7 would be optimistic - I agree, but max 4 is way too pessimistic. China will very likely to have 4 carriers around 2025, and 6 carriers between 2030 - 2035. There are no fundamental technology barriers now, requirements of 6 is definite, and building capacity is assured.

 

[danielchin]

looking back on this old CV-16 model and the number of J-15 parked on her deck is very refreshing.

 

[LesAdieux]

heated debates about what catalyst system the 002 should use are spreading from tv to forums. at the center is rear adm Yin, who strongly supports the EM over the steam. according to Yin: all the tech issues in EM have been solved, there's no reason to adopt the obsolete steam system.

I'm not a big shrimp, but I think we can draw a few things from the debate:

1. the decision has not been made, otherwise the debate is pointless;

2. 002 is not under construction at the moment;

3. China may build one more STOBAR after cv17 to fill the gap.

 

[Blitzo]

heated debates about what catalyst system the 002 should use are spreading from tv to forums. at the center is rear adm Yin, who strongly supports the EM over the steam. according to Yin: all the tech issues in EM have been solved, there's no reason to adopt the obsolete steam system.

I'm not a big shrimp, but I think we can draw a few things from the debate:

1. the decision has not been made, otherwise the debate is pointless;

2. 002 is not under construction at the moment;

3. China may build one more STOBAR after cv17 to fill the gap.

I think those last two points are the most significant.

Have big shrimps outright said that 002 is not under construction, and that another STOBAR carrier will be built after CV-17?

More importantly, what has fzgfzy said on the matter... because the rumours are substantial that 002 is under construction and his own projections earlier in the year was consistent with the current consensus.

Personally, I think the debate around the catapult type can still be occurring, and for the catapult type to still be undecided, even if 002 has begun early stages of construction, because I think it could be possible that 002 was designed to have steam and EM catapults both in mind, and that the actual process of installing the various subsystems (piping, hydraulics for steam, and capacitors and associated linear motors for EM) could be done at a relatively later stage of the ship's construction, if they had designed that kind of modularity in mind.

 

[LesAdieux]

I think those last two points are the most significant.

Have big shrimps outright said that 002 is not under construction, and that another STOBAR carrier will be built after CV-17?

More importantly, what has fzgfzy said on the matter... because the rumours are substantial that 002 is under construction and his own projections earlier in the year was consistent with the current consensus.

Personally, I think the debate around the catapult type can still be occurring, and for the catapult type to still be undecided, even if 002 has begun early stages of construction, because I think it could be possible that 002 was designed to have steam and EM catapults both in mind, and that the actual process of installing the various subsystems (piping, hydraulics for steam, and capacitors and associated linear motors for EM) could be done at a relatively later stage of the ship's construction, if they had designed that kind of modularity in mind.

big shrimps who claim that 002 got to be steam ususully use the following two arguments:

1. China urgently need carriers with cat, no further delay is allowed, steam is ready and mature, EM is not;

2. 002 design has passed the "tech freeze-up" time, the door has been shut.

after the emerging of the J-20, the development of J-10 has been de-classified, we now know all the major systems were developed during the long 18 years, if there's sth called "tech freeze-up", we probably would never see the J-10.