F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Air Force Brat

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It is estimated that the F-35 with its VLO profile would be detectable at around 40nm. The standoff distance of the JSOW from an effective range of 70 nm would ensure it out ranges even the S-400.

Exactly, and that is a maximum range without countermeasures and jamming, and discounts the probable presence of the F-22s with additional tools against such radars, really once the bad guys go "hot", they are providing their location to aircraft which are there to "suppress" enemy air defenses. That's why those launchers are mobile??? you can run, but you will only die tired!
 

Brumby

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Exactly, and that is a maximum range without countermeasures and jamming, and discounts the probable presence of the F-22s with additional tools against such radars, really once the bad guys go "hot", they are providing their location to aircraft which are there to "suppress" enemy air defenses. That's why those launchers are mobile??? you can run, but you will only die tired!
Not a certainty they can run. Using geolocation TDOA, a flight formation of three F-35's can passively detect an emission and take out the emitter within a time window of 5 mins from missile launch. Also because the formation sensors are fused, sensor and shooter need not be the same. I believe it takes a S-400 6 mins to unpack. Not sure how long it takes it to pack and relocate.
 

FORBIN

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For SEAD missions F-35 or F-22 don't need AGM-154 a SDB is suficient for range in more cheaper and in more big number on the fighters, 8 internaly.

For its Willd Weasel missions, destroy SAM, TEL, radars etc... small targets F-22 do the job with her weapons of max 1000 lbs but for more difficult for large or especialy buried you need a 2000 lbs more efficient and there the F-35A/C is better in more F-22 don' t get LGB.

6 AIM-120 internaly or others AAM but i don' t think METEOR seems very possible but for a Block 5 for about 2025+.main advantage F-35 have same loadout as we know actualy for T-50/J-20 but these ones normaly get a more potent radar, nevertheless in 2020's F-35 will be much more numerous

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Well, you know me. I think the 5th generation is a mess for the United States; the Raptor's been discontinued and the F-35 looks like a turkey that only makes sense if its subsystems are superior, and that's not a given considering China's rapid technological advance. For US air superiority, the best option would probably be the Northrop Grumman B-3, escorted by UCAVs and networked. Alternately, fast-track Boeing and NG's sixth generation programs, since I think LM needs to be punished for the F-35 disaster.
 

Inst

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@Brumby: I am fairly confident that the Chinese are no more than 1 to 1.5 generations behind the United States on AESA; the latest figures we have for the J-20's AESA (claimed 420km detection range vs a 1m^2 target) as well as its EODAS system, resemble US figures pretty closely. It is likely the United States has more devastating technologies in the works, but on sensor subsystems it would not be a surprise if the Chinese manage to catch up to the United States with the J-20 project.

As to the IR system; there are two primary heat sources in an aircraft. The first would be friction from the drag imposed by the airframe to the supersonic airflow, and the second would be the engine. A smaller body would result in less friction from both supersonic and subsonic drag, while the weaker engine, at least compared to the dual engines on the J-20, would also add less heat. The F-35, based on its smaller profile, would also compose a smaller, but possibly more condensed, heat picture on IRST and EODAS, which fundamentally work via imaging technology, than the J-20 or the F-22. The F-35 also has TOPCOAT IR suppression, but so does the F-22. We may assume the Chinese have a similar technology, but we can also assume it's not as cutting edge as American IR suppressant paint.
 

Air Force Brat

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@AFB:

Well, you know me. I think the 5th generation is a mess for the United States; the Raptor's been discontinued and the F-35 looks like a turkey that only makes sense if its subsystems are superior, and that's not a given considering China's rapid technological advance. For US air superiority, the best option would probably be the Northrop Grumman B-3, escorted by UCAVs and networked. Alternately, fast-track Boeing and NG's sixth generation programs, since I think LM needs to be punished for the F-35 disaster.

Yes, and to be very honest, if you were to go back and read my posts around the time I joined SDF, the JSF was having some serious issues, and I was of a similar mindset to you??? but, Chris Bogdan has taken the "bull by the horns" so to speak and one by one, through brute force and mainstrength, put this girl back on track.

The F-35 and its subsystems are far superior to anything else on the planet or in development, even the very strong F-22, although the F-22 has tricks up its sleeve that no one will ever anticipate or replicate. and I can promise you that 6th gen is still very much in its infancy, to the Brat, it is completely inconsequential at this moment. HONESTLY, its all talk and hot air. The F-35 on the other hand is fleshing out very nicely, and offers very similar air-superiority to the F-22, and an F-35 will shoot down an F-22 in a Red Flag, Northern view, whatever, its situational awareness, and tethered targeting will pull a fast one on a Raptor driver in the very near future, don't say I didn't warn the Raptor boys, I am warning them NOW, watch your six!

and as an afterthought to your real nonsense, LockMart owns the stealthy Five Gen, punishment for what, being the best in the biz??? they are, and one day you will look back and think, I'm glad I listened to the old Brat, he had his finger on the pulse of freedom.
 

Brumby

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The F-35 Stealth Fighter Can Dogfight
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In June 2015, War Is Boring
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detailing a mock dogfight between a U.S. Air Force F-35 stealth fighter and an F-16, one of the planes the new F-35 is supposed to replace.

The dogfight did not go well for the F-35, which couldn’t accelerate or turn fast enough to keep up with the F-16. “The F-35 was at a distinct energy disadvantage,” the stealth fighter’s pilot — a former F-15 flier — wrote in his report.
But now a Norwegian test pilot has indirectly refuted the test pilot in a blog post on the Website of the Norwegian defense ministry. Norway is buying 52 F-35s are a cost of no less than $5 billion to replace the country’s current fleet of 1980s-vintage F-16s.

“I now have several sorties behind me in the F-35 where the mission has been to train within visual range combat one-on-one,”
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Maj. Morten “Dolby” Hanche, a veteran F-16 pilot and Norway’s first F-35 flier. “My experience so far is that the F-35 makes it easier for me to maintain the offensive role [compared to an F-16], and it provides me more opportunities to effectively employ weapons at my opponent.”

According to the Norwegian defense ministry, Dolby has more than 2,200 hours in the F-16, is a U.S. Navy Test Pilot School graduate and now serves as an instructor with the 62nd Fighter Squadron, an F-35 training unit, at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.

“So how does the the F-35 behave in a dogfight?” Dolby wrote. “The offensive role feels somewhat different from what I am used to with the F-16. In the F-16, I had to be more patient than in the F-35, before pointing my nose at my opponent to employ weapons; pointing my nose and employing, before being safely established in the control position, would often lead to a role reversal, where the offensive became the defensive part.”
“The F-35 provides me as a pilot greater authority to point the nose of the airplane where I desire,” Dolby continued. “The F-35 is capable of significantly higher angle of attack than the F-16. … This improved ability to point at my opponent enables me to deliver weapons earlier than I am used to with the F-16, forces my opponent to react even more defensively and gives me the ability to reduce the airspeed quicker than in the F-16.”

“In the defensive role the same characteristics are valuable,” Dolby explained. “I can whip the airplane around in a reactive maneuver while slowing down. The F-35 can actually slow down quicker than you’d be able to emergency brake your car. This is important because my opponent has to react to me stopping, or risk ending up in a role-reversal where he flies past me.”

In short, the F-35 is an excellent dogfighter, according to the Norwegian pilot. But Dolby stressed in
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that he doesn’t believe an F-35 will actually need to fight at close range, as its stealth, sensors and beyond-visual-range missiles will allow it to destroy its opponents at great distance.
 

Air Force Brat

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The F-35 Stealth Fighter Can Dogfight
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There we go, and as I have been telling you lads, when you can haul back on that stick to 50 + degrees angle of attack in the F-35, that other bird is trying to eat your lunch, the F-16 is a very unhappy bird at those high alphas?? the F-35 is as playful as "scalded cat" turning itself "inside out" trying to catch a bird or get away from a predator of some sort. The F-35 is presently maxed out at 50 degrees by the computer, but the aircraft has been to 73 degrees initially, and has now been flown out to 105 degrees with NO bad habits. they will likely keep it in the 50 degree range for now, for reasons that some on here will not understand, but that will provide a tremendous amount of maneuverability, while maintain a very large safety margin.
 
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